From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,52fd60a337c05842 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-06-14 14:11:03 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newsfeed.freenet.de!fu-berlin.de!news.iucc.ac.il!not-for-mail From: "Ehud Lamm" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: ada paper critic Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 00:06:34 +0200 Organization: Ehud Lamm Message-ID: References: <3D0A1293.5000005@ozemail.com.au> <3D0A399C.EF6F1BD9@acm.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: di4-58.dialin.huji.ac.il X-Trace: news.iucc.ac.il 1024089056 6473 132.64.14.58 (14 Jun 2002 21:10:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.iucc.ac.il NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 21:10:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:25983 Date: 2002-06-15T00:06:34+02:00 List-Id: "Immanuel Scholz" wrote in message news:aedjfi$63on9$1@ID-100557.news.dfncis.de... > Jeffrey Carter wrote: > > > Finally, this is clearly a troll. Let us all show the superiority of > > those who use Ada by never responding to trolls. > Right! > Actually he is the only one trying to filter out some arguments AGAINST ada > (sometimes more destructive than constructive). > No. Most of them are simply incorrect. So he is not really helping you (the OP). Ada is not perfect, but understanding the weak points in a language is not easy. You have to undersand the language itself quite well. You may check Ada-Issues and the ARG mailing list, for some problems people are trying to fix with the language. You may also use the language for awhile. I agree that a nice discussion of problems with the language can be an interesting read. Perhaps you can learn something from the issues raised about Ada83 when Ada95 was designed. I can't get into many details here, and each issue itself is controversial. But I agree that sometimes automatic template instantiation can be nice. I also think template specialization can be quite useful. I would like larger (STL like) standard library (well, you all know that by now...). There are many other issues, I think the question itself is to broad. If you want to gain insight choose some area a bit more specific to think/ask about (e.g., generics, OOP, or whatever). Ehud Lamm