From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 107f24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid107f24,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 10259a,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid10259a,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ea8ea502d35ca2ce X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1164ba,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid1164ba,public X-Google-Thread: 103d24,626a0a064b320310 X-Google-Attributes: gid103d24,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-05-16 17:52:08 PST Path: archiver1.sj.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!falcon.america.net!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!howland.erols.net!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: Markus Kliegl Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.smalltalk,comp.lang.basic,comp.lang.functional,comp.lang.scheme,comp.lang.perl Subject: Re: Beginner's Language? Date: 16 May 2001 19:42:07 +0200 Organization: T-Online Sender: magictux@linux.holy-unicorn Message-ID: References: <9cukad$nn68@news-dxb> <9d6b6e$1bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 990034575 04 10524 b+-OSckTS-AciR 010516 17:36:15 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 340009195196-0001@t-dialin.net X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.7/Emacs 20.7 Xref: archiver1.sj.google.com comp.lang.ada:7597 comp.lang.lisp:10192 comp.lang.smalltalk:9743 comp.lang.functional:5684 comp.lang.scheme:3859 comp.lang.perl:2791 Date: 2001-05-16T19:42:07+02:00 List-Id: Lex Spoon writes: > "Dodger" writes: > > > "Marin David Condic" wrote in > > message news:9d6b6e$1bt$1@nh.pace.co.uk... > > > > > My advice for a first programming language would be Ada (for a lot of > > > reasons besides being my favorite language :-) followed by Pascal & maybe > > > Modula-2. Save the other stuff until the students have progressed a > > little. > > > > Got a better one. It's terrible (which is a better representation of what > > they will end up doing, most likely), and wonky, and regardless of all your > > opinions of perl for weal or woe, it makes Perl look beautiful... > > > > But, it will get kids programming. > > > > LPC. Set them up a mud. Get them to code LPC (a whacked out MUD code C-based > > ...thing...) or some other MU* code that is actually programmable. > > > Amy Bruckman's Moose Crossing is a mud intended as a place for kids to > learn about programming: > > http://www.cc.gatech.edu/elc/moose-crossing/ > > If you think muds for programming is interesting, you should > definitely look into Moose Crossing. > > > Lex Spoon > What is Moose as a language like, though? Is it a well-designed language (I only saw something about it being OO, which is obviously essential for a MUD programming language, anyway)? LPC is quite an interesting language, as it offers a lower-level language, a C-like language without pointers and efficient closures, so besides being extremely impure, it at least has first-class functions :-) Been a while since I had a look at LPC, so I hope I didn't get anything wrong. -- Markus Kliegl