From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.4 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: a07f3367d7,3025dd6d917b499c X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,public,usenet X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.216.207.38 with SMTP id m38mr466427weo.13.1350183142812; Sat, 13 Oct 2012 19:52:22 -0700 (PDT) Path: q11ni134302897wiw.1!nntp.google.com!feeder1.cambriumusenet.nl!feeder3.cambriumusenet.nl!feed.tweaknews.nl!85.12.40.131.MISMATCH!xlned.com!feeder3.xlned.com!border5.a.newsrouter.astraweb.com!news.astraweb.com!border6.newsrouter.astraweb.com!border4.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border2.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border3.nntp.dca.giganews.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!nrc-news.nrc.ca!goblin1!goblin3!goblin.stu.neva.ru!news.tu-darmstadt.de!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: Niklas Holsti Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 19:52:44 +0300 Organization: Tidorum Ltd Message-ID: References: <38af7fb8-b0a4-4a31-87aa-b7b698cc89c3@googlegroups.com> <3ca0ffd0-1764-484b-8fab-17c0d2dd9463@googlegroups.com> <1f645050-cf4c-40bf-a797-9687b69e4a54@googlegroups.com> <18ats2960nsvm$.kfufsnul13aq$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072c9ae$0$6562$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <4keoa6epdxt7.1nnwxy7v7ar90.dlg@40tude.net> <5072dc68$0$6554$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <1f7cmfp1l65w1.1deog8cfxbs0u$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072e37a$0$6556$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Trace: individual.net WRpqb+Am7vRlYpvb7Wo4NA8yl/L/65h9OtO6pGY5SNrxBa95vfW1q96oGT2uB3CSON Cancel-Lock: sha1:OSlU3PfWCveJnMPxkJdXXuFGe4Y= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.6; rv:15.0) Gecko/20120907 Thunderbird/15.0.1 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: 2012-10-11T19:52:44+03:00 List-Id: On 12-10-11 19:31 , Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:22:33 -0700 (PDT), mjsilva@scriptoriumdesigns.com > wrote: > >> I'm late to this discussion, but your comment is really out of touch with >> a vast segment of the embedded world. > > Certainly so. > >> ARM is everywhere, with perhaps a >> dozen or more sources of ucontrollers not including captive sources. > > As well as C, which is everywhere, and is making me wonder what kind of > problem people have, if they consider C as a part of the solution. > >> Furthermore, it is a market where the next generation of students and >> hobbyists are moving to. > > The students I am aware of are taught on DSP and SPS. Embedded world is > large. There seems to be a pretty clear division into two half-worlds: one that is wall-socket-powered and uses powerful processors similar to PCs but ruggedized and with more I/O, and the other that is battery-powered and uses microcontrollers. For some years I received a free magazine (possibly EDN?) that came accordingly in two editions. The big-embedded edition advertised gigahertz 32/64-bit processors with gigabytes of DRAM and two-level caches, running embedded Linux or Windows; the small-embedded advertised AVRs and the like, running some small RTOS or bare metal. Really, there was a gulf in between, that was perhaps thinly filled with RTEMS-like and ucLinux-like things, running on 32-bit microcontrollers with a little external memory. This space now has Raspberry Pi and other micro-PCs in it, which is a good development, I think. -- Niklas Holsti Tidorum Ltd niklas holsti tidorum fi . @ .