From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.129.50.67 with SMTP id y64mr1474139ywy.102.1498658760034; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 07:06:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.36.83.73 with SMTP id n70mr48148itb.0.1498658759962; Wed, 28 Jun 2017 07:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!2.us.feeder.erje.net!weretis.net!feeder6.news.weretis.net!feeder.usenetexpress.com!feeder1.iad1.usenetexpress.com!border1.nntp.dca1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!v31no1232657qtb.0!news-out.google.com!s132ni656itb.0!nntp.google.com!x12no427012itb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 07:05:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <32bd3d2d-16d2-46f4-902f-3b6944f30226@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=84.131.63.221; posting-account=rmHyLAoAAADSQmMWJF0a_815Fdd96RDf NNTP-Posting-Host: 84.131.63.221 References: <1ac5a44b-4423-443a-a7bb-2864d9abe78f@googlegroups.com> <1498048151.20885.28.camel@obry.net> <96174ea5-852d-44e9-8535-7c1eb24d5326@googlegroups.com> <8d3aff06-82df-485f-89e5-a50c326aab05@googlegroups.com> <66aa262e-2ac9-4016-b32d-e9fee14779e1@googlegroups.com> <88e2f18a-0786-4303-a5b8-fe82e8c81dcb@googlegroups.com> <71c4fdcd-4213-4b84-b852-c8674cfaf717@googlegroups.com> <0f43638d-8954-4db2-94a3-b6615754da34@googlegroups.com> <32bd3d2d-16d2-46f4-902f-3b6944f30226@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ada Annoyances From: AdaMagica Injection-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 14:06:00 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:47160 Date: 2017-06-28T07:05:59-07:00 List-Id: Am Mittwoch, 28. Juni 2017 15:16:00 UTC+2 schrieb Maciej Sobczak: > > The following uses *functions* instead (which behave more like C++'s co= nstructors). >=20 > No, C++ constructors have nothing to do with functions. They do not retur= n anything and in particular within the class hierarchy, where the construc= tion process has multiple stages and constructors operate on partial views = on the target object, it is clear that they have little analogies with regu= lar functions. That's all correct. My point was that your Initialize procedures were in no= way comparable to C++ constructors, so your translation of C++ to Ada was = questionable. The Ada functions' distance to constructors is far less. As I= said in the comments of my example, there are no true constructors in Ada. > Still: > > > This program works correctly just like the C++ version. > [...] > > I like your example. It demonstrates that factory functions are better su= ited to implement the design intent that we have discussed. That was my intent. With package Ada.Finalization, one has to be very caref= ul to avoid such re-dispatching as in your example. When I created my examp= le, I first used procedures like you did - and fell into the same trap.