From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,345c9fcf5a67a99f X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-05-28 19:37:24 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.icl.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!psiuk-p2!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Microsoft takes on ACT Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:42:00 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: References: <4519e058.0205230724.38617c60@posting.google.com> <3CEE40A9.4010500@telepath.com> <3CEF9F06.2050109@telepath.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1022600521 21252 136.170.200.133 (28 May 2002 15:42:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 May 2002 15:42:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:24895 Date: 2002-05-28T15:42:01+00:00 List-Id: I know they didn't always get full data rights to everything in some of the contexts in which I dealt with the DoD - but that might depend on what one means by "full data rights". Usually they got access to source code - even COTS - if it went into the deliverable end product. They would usually "own" what we developed for them while not owning, say, the compiler's RTK. But remember, this was "embedded" work. I'd imagine if you built a system that ran on top of Unix or Windows, they wouldn't expect to get the source to those OS's. (Come to think of it, we did support systems like that for them from time to time & I don't recall that the OS was much of an issue in the contracts.) But does DoD want or need the source to Microsoft Word for all the clerks & secretaries that are typing memos in the Pentagon? Probably not any moreso than General Motors. There might be advantages to Open Source stuff in this area (price, portability of the data, etc.) but it isn't obvious that the advantages make Open Source the hands-down winner. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com "Ted Dennison" wrote in message news:3CEF9F06.2050109@telepath.com... > Marin David Condic wrote: > > > Any user can have the full rights to any software they want. All it takes is > > a willingness to write up a cost-plus contract. :-) I don't know if the DoD > > gets full data rights - clout or not - for things they buy off the shelf. > > > No they don't. That's one of the contaversies about their going to COTS > software. (At least it was 5 years ago when I last went through this). > > > >