From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,c42dbf68f5320193 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-05-09 09:20:11 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.abs.net!news.voicenet.com!nntp.upenn.edu!msunews!not-for-mail From: "Chad R. Meiners" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Turing-undecidable languages (OT) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:18:02 -0400 Organization: Michigan State University Message-ID: References: Reply-To: "Chad R. Meiners" NNTP-Posting-Host: arctic.cse.msu.edu X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:23776 Date: 2002-05-09T12:18:02-04:00 List-Id: "Dmitry A.Kazakov" wrote in message news:abddca$h96t0$1@ID-77047.news.dfncis.de... > If I > correctly understood it, Tom considers a problem regading programs of fixed > size, while opponents attack him with the results valid for infinite cases. Where do you see people attacking Tom in this discusion of TMs? This whole discusion started when Tom replied to Robert with the following statement: > So the set of instructions emitted by Gnat when it compiles bubble sort > code may or may not constitute a general sorting algorithm, and whether > it does or not is undecidable? I learn something new every day. I tried to clarify Robert's statement and answer some other questions as they poped up. But as far as attacking Tom's idea of randoming generating sorting algoritms with predefined time and space bounds, I would do no such thing because placing bounds on algorithms is one way to change the halting problem to make it decidable.