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On Thursday, 12 June 2014 12:24:30 UTC+1, Peter Chapin  wrote:
> 
> I don't know much about iOS programming specifically (I have done some
> Android programming) but my point is really that I'm not convinced Ada
> is an ideal language for high level applications in general. To me it

Yeah, nobody's ever written a higher level / UI app in C or C++, have they?

> feels like a low level language, similar in many ways to C, although C++
> would probably be a more appropriate comparable.
> 
> Consider Ada's arrays. They are fairly primitive and close to the
> machine. Compare them with, say, lists in Haskell which are fully

...and C's aren't? Have you done any OpenGL programming in C or C++? That is the definition of machine level arrays, very primitive, yet people do it all the time on both platforms.

> dynamic by default and come endowed with a powerful list comprehension
> sublanguage that makes generating and manipulating lists very simple.
> Ada can get the job done, of course, but it entails withing various
> packages and writing explicit loops, conditional statements, etc.

You still have to do that on other languages as well, fighting with include and library paths, etc.

> Ada's design is excellent for a systems language. I much prefer using it
> over C (and even C++, although modern C++ is nice too in many ways) in
> systems applications. However, for "high level" applications... there
> are other languages out there that I think are better.

Ada just needs a few things to make it better suited to the modern world. Mostly library level stuff. Simple as that.

Luke.