From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ac39a12d5faf5b14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-30 22:04:09 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!212.74.64.35!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!psiuk-p2!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Grace and Maps (was Re: Development process in the Ada community) Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 14:31:08 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: References: <3CB46975.90408@snafu.de> <3CBAFFEE.2080708@snafu.de> <4519e058.0204171036.6f0a7394@posting.google.com> <3CBDD795.4060706@snafu.de> <4519e058.0204180800.44fac012@posting.google.com> <3CBF0341.8020406@mail.com> <4519e058.0204190529.559a47ae@posting.google.com> <3CC1C6B3.6060306@telepath.com> <3CC21747.5000501@telepath.com> <3CC59ED2.1000803@home.com> <3CC5B286.6FE61551@san.rr.com> <3CC5B9EE.32F3060@san.rr.com> <3CC83282.69C1884F@san.rr.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1020191470 15897 136.170.200.133 (30 Apr 2002 18:31:10 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 30 Apr 2002 18:31:10 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:23315 Date: 2002-04-30T18:31:10+00:00 List-Id: Milton Freidman is walking down the street with his wife. She says "Honey, there's a $20 bill lying on the sidewalk." Milton replies "You must be mistaken dear. If there was a $20 bill on the pavement the market would have picked it up a long time ago..." :-) Yes, database access has been around for a long time. Are you sure there's never been a compiler that shipped with a database at the same time? And met with some market success? I don't know, but I'd suspect there were probably some that had at least fairly primitive databases sold with them. I know if I got one that just came along with the compiler, I'd make use of it - especially if there was no effort to get it working as might be the case if I wanted to do something like, say, interface to Oracle. Maybe if Ada had a "conventional" interface to a database & possibly if compilers included a usable database (maybe not with every feature possible, but useful for something more than trivial projects) that fit that interface, it would be something the market might take notice of. Especially if the pitch was "You can get it to work on a dozen different machines/compilers without changing a line of your application..." Its a big "maybe" but sometimes it pays to float ideas and see what comes up. Perhaps GNADE attempts to address this need and it might do so fairly well. I don't know, not being in the database business for quite some time and never having taken a look at GNADE. (I used to interface Ada to RDB via an SQL precompiler a very long time ago in a galaxy far, far, away.) My biggest objection would be that it is not (at present) part of "Conventional Ada" and it might be tied to a specific compiler at this time. However, if it was proposed as being "The Answer" and accepted as such, it might help add leverage to Ada, making Ada a more attractive solution. A rising Ada tide lifts all boats. If Ada is going to gain market share, it needs to offer *more* leverage to the developer than other languages and a DBMS of some sort sounds like "more" to me. Other ideas? :-) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com "Stephen Leake" wrote in message news:uelgxqf79.fsf@gsfc.nasa.gov... > > Then the market must not want one. Database access has been around a > _long_ time, and is a _huge_ market! >