From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.237.53.1 with SMTP id a1mr9609264qte.3.1502462918095; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:48:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Received: by 10.36.86.12 with SMTP id o12mr688419itb.5.1502462918041; Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!border1.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!border2.nntp.ams1.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!peer01.ams1!peer.ams1.xlned.com!news.xlned.com!peer01.am4!peer.am4.highwinds-media.com!peer01.iad!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!w51no270146qtc.0!news-out.google.com!1ni733itx.0!nntp.google.com!u14no399535ita.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 07:48:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <22c5d2f4-6b96-4474-936c-024fdbed6ac7@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2601:c3:101:cda0:75d9:c2ba:970d:37f5; posting-account=0e_2YQoAAACiyvAQE9nydlmk8joBaY1J NNTP-Posting-Host: 2601:c3:101:cda0:75d9:c2ba:970d:37f5 References: <79e06550-67d7-45b3-88f8-b7b3980ecb20@googlegroups.com> <9d4bc8aa-cc44-4c30-8385-af0d29d49b36@googlegroups.com> <1395655516.524005222.638450.laguest-archeia.com@nntp.aioe.org> <4527d955-a6fe-4782-beea-e59c3bb69f21@googlegroups.com> <22c5d2f4-6b96-4474-936c-024fdbed6ac7@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Community Input for the Maintenance and Revision of the Ada Programming Language From: jsquirek@gmail.com Injection-Date: Fri, 11 Aug 2017 14:48:38 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Received-Body-CRC: 3429935973 X-Received-Bytes: 3905 Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:47708 Date: 2017-08-11T07:48:37-07:00 List-Id: On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 10:42:12 AM UTC-4, Justin Sq wrote: > On Thursday, August 10, 2017 at 10:41:24 AM UTC-4, Lucretia wrote: > > On Thursday, 10 August 2017 06:41:56 UTC+1, G.B. wrote: > > > On 09.08.17 23:08, Luke A. Guest wrote: > > >=20 > > > > 1) endian aspects. > > > > 2) full Unicode support including sorting, character db, regexps, b= ounded > > > > and unbounded need, iterators for code points, graph=C3=A8me cluste= rs, word > > > > boundaries, bidi, etc. > > >=20 > > > Unicode support can be a joint effort without major investments of ti= me > > > and money: > > > practically adressing Randy Brukardt's remark that this is going to > > > require politics, there is libiconv, the Unicode related designs done > > > for the Swift language, java.text.*, and so forth. > > >=20 > > > > 3) cross platform GUI. > > >=20 > > > Care to elaborate why? Having seen cross platform GUIs fail in all bu= t > >=20 > > I already explained in a previous post, the post does not just relate t= o 8 but to all my points. > >=20 > > > corporate surroundings, and possibly games, even then, new proprietar= y > >=20 > > In games, companies either use a third party UI or write their own, I k= now, because I used to work in games. > >=20 >=20 > I have no doubt Ada would benefit from a decent modern GUI or UI framewor= k, but its just not something I think the ARG folks should worry about. The= re are important tasks directly related to the language itself that can't b= e solved by third parties generally -- and that argument applies to any oth= er runtime feature or addition proposal. >=20 > Perhaps a decent Qt binding is in order? >=20 > On the otherhand Ada.Directories and Ada.Text_IO are woefully outdated. F= or example, if you have a computer and you speak a language like Japanese, = French, German, Spanish, etc. think of how frustrating it is when you simpl= y can't open a file with anything other than ASCII in the path. A program t= hat deals with relative directories might work fine in one directory but ge= t moved and suddenly fail hopelessly. Poor end-user :( My mistake String supports more than just ASCII (Duh), but Asian and other = esoteric languages obvious not.