From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.1 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00, HK_SCAM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ac39a12d5faf5b14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-18 23:20:59 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!newsfeed.online.be!130.240.42.8.MISMATCH!luth.se!psiuk-p2!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 15:15:48 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: References: <3CB46975.90408@snafu.de> <3CB9375F.8040904@snafu.de> <3CB9AF3C.8030301@snafu.de> <3CBC5281.1040202@snafu.de> <3CBDAAA9.5050302@snafu.de> <555f76f7dd67c7f1678e027353d1a6a1.48257@mygate.mailgate.org> <3CBDE85F.9ACFD30@san.rr.com> <3CBE0457.6E7B82A8@san.rr.com> <4519e058.0204180608.579f1e4b@posting.google.com> <3CBF11BE.3090007@bellatlantic.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1019157349 9226 136.170.200.133 (18 Apr 2002 19:15:49 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2002 19:15:49 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22771 Date: 2002-04-18T19:15:49+00:00 List-Id: I'd agree except for the "hack" part and "scripting language" part. I think the real issue is *almost* what you describe but with a subtle difference. It is "Time To Market" and "Leverage" rather than "hack in Ada quickly" or "scripting language" that is missing. If we had the things you describe (containers, math, parsing, networking, GUI, IDE, etc.) they would all work to create leverage and reduce time to market. You could still cater to Software Engineering, high reliability, life-cycle, etc., rather than cater to the script-kiddies and hackers, and still be successful being what Ada is at its roots. If an Ada environment could get you to market 50% faster than MSVC++ or some other popular development environment, it would be hard for business enterprises to argue against it. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com "Al Reynolds" wrote in message news:3CBF11BE.3090007@bellatlantic.net... > > > So, if we really want to make Ada popular what we have to do is make it possible to hack in Ada quickly. That's what > GUI support is all about. That's what IDE's are all about. That's what libraries for containers, math, parsing, > networking, etc, are all about. We want Ada to become a strongly-typed, scripting language. > >