From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ac39a12d5faf5b14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-18 20:26:03 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-out.nuthinbutnews.com!feed-ev1!propagator-sterling!news-in.nuthinbutnews.com!psiuk-p2!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2002 11:28:14 -0400 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: References: <3CB46975.90408@snafu.de> <5ee5b646.0204170529.beaf045@posting.google.com> <4519e058.0204171040.33abd3c3@posting.google.com> <4519e058.0204180702.3f703c23@posting.google.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1019143696 2569 136.170.200.133 (18 Apr 2002 15:28:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 18 Apr 2002 15:28:16 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22768 Date: 2002-04-18T15:28:16+00:00 List-Id: The "Is it dying or is it growning" debate can't really ever be settled anyway since there's no hard data on which most people would agree that would indicate anything meaningful about the direction. (I'd suggest that if it *really* grew in a large, substantial way, it would be so obvious nobody would ask the question.) So basically, anybody expressing an opinion on the subject either way is equally uninformed - there is no data so all you've got is opinions based on perceptions. I don't think its a waste of time though to discuss what would possibly make Ada more popular with the masses. That's the kind of "market research" that helps a product satisfy the needs of more people. For example, the discussion here about libraries seems to be identifying some common collections of desired utilities, from which maybe something emerges. The discussion about having some kind of standard GUI/tools seems to be clarifying a need and possibly seeing consensus getting built on which of several possibilities ought to be contenders. Any discussion of what people want out of a language can be helpful in setting future directions. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com "Ted Dennison" wrote in message news:4519e058.0204180702.3f703c23@posting.google.com... > dennison@telepath.com (Ted Dennison) wrote in message news:<4519e058.0204171040.33abd3c3@posting.google.com>... > > I felt I should do more than just a "me too" on this. I've been > hanging out in c.l.a. for about 8 years now, and I got sick of the > "Ada is dying" doom-and-gloom talk after about the 3rd Greg Ahnorian > post I read. After 8 years of supposedly declining usage, there would > be no one using it today but 3 kids and a monkey if those folks were > all right. Instead it seems the Ada community is more healthy than > ever before. No one is still being "forced" to use it and there's no > DoD sugar-daddy around bankrolling projects any more, yet there are > all sorts of wonderful new projects and initiatives comming out on > what seems like a daily basis, from both companies and volunteers. > > Every language has its detractors that love to believe, no matter what > the truth of the matter is, that it is just about to shrivel up and > die. For whatever reason, Ada has always had more than its share of > such people. I think that Ada's doom has been mindlessly predicted so > much for so long that lots of otherwise sensible people have started > to believe it. Its high time we quit listening. > > -- > T.E.D. > Home - mailto:dennison@telepath.com (Yahoo: Ted_Dennison) > Homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html