From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 11232c,877ba3d67e73c6c3 X-Google-Attributes: gid11232c,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,ac39a12d5faf5b14 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-14 03:25:02 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: Ingo Marks Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,misc.misc Subject: Re: Rant! (was) Development process in the Ada community Followup-To: comp.lang.ada Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 12:24:07 +0200 Organization: T-Online Message-ID: References: <3CB46975.90408@snafu.de> <3CB77A6B.5090504@snafu.de> <184076622a7c648f157c56e417bd86d4.48257@mygate.mailgate.org> <3CB9375F.8040904@snafu.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1018779826 07 28299 j2Z4TLMGSbaTIG 020414 10:23:46 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 340020534592-0001@t-dialin.net User-Agent: KNode/0.6.1 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22505 misc.misc:6296 Date: 2002-04-14T12:24:07+02:00 List-Id: Michael Erdmann wrote: > Kent Paul Dolan wrote: >> >> No, I sign my name "LCDR, Retired" when I care to bother; I don't have >> any particular bone to pick with the military. DoD has abandoned Ada, >> that is the problem. The head has been cut off, the body continues to >> twitch. Ada needs a new mandate, some sense of direction so it doesn't >> just continue to march in place, and I don't see it happening. > > This is exaclty the impression i have my self. So i was wondering > if Ada could take a new direction, when the open source communitiy is > more directly involved by establishing a public process in order > to enhance the predefined libraries, and may be later, to make an > attempt to get these things into ISO etc.. Who "owns" Ada? The DoD has decided to quit Ada so they don't seem to have any more interest. A new standardization project needs a central place to start. CAD is a good starting point to discuss but the many messages are scattered all over the group and it becomes difficult for me to collect the essence of all ideas. You complained that the focus of this thread is already out of control. I would like to suggest to create a new website where you list all your intentions and considerations. People will read them and make comments there and/or here. People will make source code contributions and the whole thing will grow step by step. Do you want open source library standards for the current Ada 95 standard or do you want to have the language "polished up", too? Ada is impressive but my first impressions were that some (few) things are unnecessarily complicated which have a deterring effect to newbies. For example string handling. The distinction between fixed and unbounded strings confused me at first (and my compiler produced at lot of error messages ;-) Somewhere I read that the Ada 95 standard would support string handling with garbage collections already (but no compiler has implemented this yet). It would be fine if this could be done in an open source standardization project. Ingo