From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,3025dd6d917b499c X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Received: by 10.66.88.198 with SMTP id bi6mr235456pab.28.1349968953355; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.236.175.1 with SMTP id y1mr206020yhl.9.1349968953291; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:22:33 -0700 (PDT) Path: jt13ni2809pbb.1!nntp.google.com!kr7no22971362pbb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 08:22:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=12.35.64.226; posting-account=qZVz2QoAAAAN9WxYp-9jYb7jORc4Zqwt NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.35.64.226 References: <38af7fb8-b0a4-4a31-87aa-b7b698cc89c3@googlegroups.com> <3ca0ffd0-1764-484b-8fab-17c0d2dd9463@googlegroups.com> <1f645050-cf4c-40bf-a797-9687b69e4a54@googlegroups.com> <18ats2960nsvm$.kfufsnul13aq$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072c9ae$0$6562$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <4keoa6epdxt7.1nnwxy7v7ar90.dlg@40tude.net> <5072dc68$0$6554$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> <1f7cmfp1l65w1.1deog8cfxbs0u$.dlg@40tude.net> <5072e37a$0$6556$9b4e6d93@newsspool4.arcor-online.net> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Ada, the best language with the not-so-best tool chain From: mjsilva@scriptoriumdesigns.com Cc: mailbox@dmitry-kazakov.de Injection-Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:22:33 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: 2012-10-11T08:22:33-07:00 List-Id: On Monday, October 8, 2012 11:22:37 AM UTC-7, Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: >=20 > Why are people so obsessed with ARM? You could have a decent Atom-based >=20 > board for same money. AMD Geode LX could be an alternative. >=20 > =20 > Anyway, the thingy should run Linux. I believe there was a GNAT for ARM >=20 > somewhere. Maybe others could point out its status. =20 I'm late to this discussion, but your comment is really out of touch with a= vast segment of the embedded world. ARM is everywhere, with perhaps a doz= en or more sources of ucontrollers not including captive sources. Even the= lowest end parts run near 50MHz and have good amounts of memory, but nothi= ng close to what would be required for Linux. Ada can certainly run on the= se parts (how much memory did the MIL-STD-1750A designs have 20-25 years ag= o?) This is an enormous untapped market, and a lot of us wonder why the he= ck it is being ignored. Furthermore, it is a market where the next generation of students and hobby= ists are moving to. Arduino has been very big, and it is now expanding to = 32 bits. ST sells development boards for $10-$15 built around very powerful= ARM parts. This level of hardware is begging for Ada support, but it's not= there. If people could program this level of hardware in Ada they'd quick= ly come to appreciate the vast advantage Ada offers in embedded & realtime = work. I can't fathom why GNAT and Ada supporters don't want to get on boar= d.