From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,101730fbd6919745 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-08 02:49:03 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: "Juergen Pfeifer" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Ada & .Net (Rotor) Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2002 11:46:16 +0200 Organization: T-Online Message-ID: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1018259173 07 7011 AKSMTjtSSeYnYq 020408 09:46:13 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 340028232866-0001@t-dialin.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:22213 Date: 2002-04-08T11:46:16+02:00 List-Id: Well, nevertheless reading the Ada.Net thread I see that most people don't realize what's going on. Even on CLA you find mostly MS bashing instead of an educated and skilled discussion. To me it seems that most people don't realize that the Win2000 kernel is a huge difference to NT4, not to say the W9x kernel. Win2000 (and better) is for sure one of the best, secure and stable OS in the market. And .NET on top of this OS provides a component model for the Internet, something that is far beyond what Java provides. But it is easier to talk about the past and bash on MS than to look at what they provide today and for the future. So Ada.Net is the story of two entities that carry the burden of bad fame. Ada is the design by commitee, military only, verrrrrrbose ancient language and MS is a toy company crowded by teenage hackers writing software for dummies. I doubt that this mixture will ever work together;-) Rotor may change the perception a bit. Now people can look at the very heart of the .NET architecture, the CLI and the C# compiler and they can see themself how MS code is advancing the state of the art. But again, it's easier to bash that to lern... J�rgen P.S.: This is my personal opinion. I'm not speaking for my employer. "Ehud Lamm" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:a8efq6$4kj$1@news.iucc.ac.il... > > "Juergen Pfeifer" wrote in message > news:a8ddsd$2nh$01$1@news.t-online.com... > > Generics are an interesting topic wrt the problem whether or not this can > be > > done on the CLR level. > > Is it possible to have a generic written in one language and instantiated > in > > another language? At > > least the both languages must agree on the semantics of genericity. I > think > > this is a current area of > > research inside one of the MS dotnet research teams. > > Those interested in generics for the CLR shoud read the paper linked from > http://lambda.weblogs.com/discuss/msgReader$1450 > > Proceedings of the ACM SIGPLAN '00 conference on Programming language design > and implementation (PLDI'00). Design and implementation of generics for > the .NET Common language runtime. Andrew Kennedy, Don Syme > > Ehud > >