From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 102b75,501ec19d1d81daee X-Google-Attributes: gid102b75,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,db9a11afb3da4240 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-04 17:54:27 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!cyclone.bc.net!news-out.newsfeeds.com!propagator2-maxim!propagator-maxim!news-in.spamkiller.net!feed.newsfeeds.com!newsfeed.icl.net!colt.net!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!psiuk-p2!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors. Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2002 10:18:22 -0500 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1017933503 27907 136.170.200.133 (4 Apr 2002 15:18:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Apr 2002 15:18:23 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.arch:26448 comp.lang.ada:22126 Date: 2002-04-04T15:18:23+00:00 List-Id: "Ingo Marks" wrote in message news:a8h129$cr6$02$1@news.t-online.com... > > The question is: Do you want to write comfortable software or do you want > to write software comfortably? > Any reason it can't be both? > Of course, MSVC++ is a comfortable environment for writing C++ > applications. But are the applications you write comfortable for your > customer? > Reliable, usable, functional and desirable programs can be written in any language - including C++ using MSVC++. Its just more work getting them there than it might be using Ada. > I think it is better to write reliable software with Ada and "simple" tools > like Xemacs editor and some Ada library than to use a pretty development > environment which produces results of questionable quality. > "Pretty development environment" does not of necessity equate to "questionable quality" of the end product. Certainly many things can be accomplished with a simple editor and a command line compiler. That doesn't guarantee "high quality" any more so than a spiffy IDE and large class library is going to mean "low quality". No environment can make you write good code. > I have developed for many years in many programming languages, but Ada is > the first language which helped me to a) reduce my programming time (about > half compared to C++) and b) to produce really realiable code. I don't like > to use a compiler which I don't know to be error free or not. A computer > science professor told me, that there is _no_ 100% error free C++ compiler > in the world! > I will readily agree that (all other things being equal) Ada programming speeds development over C/C++ programming. I've seen enough data to convince me of that. The problem is that some given C++ (or Java or other language) development environment that provides you with a large library of code to leverage can quickly eliminate any advantage Ada has if the Ada environment doesn't have a similar library. All other things are seldom equal. :-) What makes you think that there are any 100% error free Ada compilers out there? :-) Its impossible to prove that there are no errors in a compiler or any other sufficiently complex piece of software. And yes, I've encountered errors in every Ada compiler I've ever used. It might be the case that Ada compilers - having run through validation - at least fully implement the language and do so in a consistent way. It might be the case that C++ compilers don't adhere to the definition of C++ because they have not run through a similar validation process. But that's a different thing than not having any errors. MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com