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From: Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid>
Subject: Re: Ada.Locales pseudo-string types
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:14:26 +0300
Date: 2012-08-08T14:14:26+03:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a8f00hF9gU1@mid.individual.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1o3by92cb82px$.1gavjw6p23du6$.dlg@40tude.net>

On 12-08-08 11:09 , Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:37:51 +0300, Niklas Holsti wrote:
> 
>> On 12-08-08 10:18 , Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>>> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:04:37 +0300, Niklas Holsti wrote:
>>>
>>>> The rule does seem surprisingly rigid, for a value conversion. (The
>>>> Annotated RM does not explain or motivate it.)
>>>
>>> Ada didn't appreciate structured type equivalence in earlier times. These
>>> rules were designed before anonymous access types crept in.
>>
>> But we are talking about explicitly requested type conversions, not
>> implicit type equivalence. As I understood it, at least.
> 
> Yes, but the validity of this conversion relies on an inferred equivalence
> of the [sub]types of the elements.

No, I would rather think that the explicitly requested array-type
conversion implies requests to convert the index [sub]types and the
element [sub]types, too.

> Ada considered them equivalent nominally.

Yes, but in order to be sure that the conversion requires no active
machine code and can be done just by relabeling the type of a reference
to the array.

> A less conservative approach is to consider only those for which
> constraints are no less permissive than ones of the target elements. 

Yes (I wrote about that in another reply).

>>>> For a value conversion,
>>>> the default could be to convert element by element, and the compiler
>>>> could then optimize this conversion based on what it can deduce
>>>> statically about the matching of the source and target subtypes.
>>>
>>> Could be interesting when elements themselves are arrays of discriminated
>>> record subtypes constrained via discriminants with array components again
>>> constrained etc.
>>
>> Sure, but this should not require much new intelligence in the compiler.
> 
> True.
> 
> BTW, there is another issue with that. What happens when some element
> cannot be converted? Constraint_Error is to propagate. What happens with
> the target. Will be previously assigned elements rolled back?

A matter of definition. Ada already contains the concept of a
"disrupted" assignment, which can be caused by the failure of a
language-defined check and in which the variable being assigned then
becomes abnormal.

-- 
Niklas Holsti
Tidorum Ltd
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  reply	other threads:[~2012-08-13  8:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-08-06 16:45 Ada.Locales pseudo-string types Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 17:10 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 19:15   ` J-P. Rosen
2012-08-06 19:34     ` Simon Wright
2012-08-06 20:07       ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 20:57         ` Simon Wright
2012-08-06 21:09           ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-06 23:07             ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-06 23:23               ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-06 23:46                 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-07  1:17                   ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-07  7:20               ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-07  7:43               ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-08-09 20:47                 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-07  8:44               ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 13:14                 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 15:42                   ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-07 18:22                     ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 20:10                       ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-07 20:42                         ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 21:38                           ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-08  7:04                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-08  7:18                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08  7:37                               ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-08  8:09                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 11:14                                   ` Niklas Holsti [this message]
2012-08-08 11:59                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 14:01                                       ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-09  7:48                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-09  8:31                                           ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-09 12:17                                             ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-09 15:25                                               ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-09 16:43                                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08  8:28                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2012-08-08 11:35                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-08 14:05                                     ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-08  7:32                             ` J-P. Rosen
2012-08-08  8:17                               ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-08  8:33                                 ` J-P. Rosen
2012-08-08 11:44                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-09 21:00                                   ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-08  8:35                                 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08  9:32                                   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-08 10:11                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 11:28                                       ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-08 11:30                                         ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-08 11:35                                       ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-08 12:24                                         ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 11:52                                   ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-08 13:21                                     ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08  9:07                             ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 20:43                         ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 21:59                   ` Robert A Duff
2012-08-07 22:19                     ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-08  0:37                       ` Robert A Duff
2012-08-07 15:26                 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-07 18:07                   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 17:51       ` Simon Wright
2012-08-06 20:00     ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 19:49   ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-08-06 20:11     ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 17:37 ` Michael Rohan
2012-08-06 18:23   ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 19:36     ` Michael Rohan
2012-08-09 21:15   ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-07  5:57 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2012-08-07 15:46   ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-07 17:51     ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2012-08-09 21:17       ` Randy Brukardt
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