From: Niklas Holsti <niklas.holsti@tidorum.invalid>
Subject: Re: Ada.Locales pseudo-string types
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2012 14:14:26 +0300
Date: 2012-08-08T14:14:26+03:00 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <a8f00hF9gU1@mid.individual.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1o3by92cb82px$.1gavjw6p23du6$.dlg@40tude.net>
On 12-08-08 11:09 , Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:37:51 +0300, Niklas Holsti wrote:
>
>> On 12-08-08 10:18 , Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote:
>>> On Wed, 08 Aug 2012 10:04:37 +0300, Niklas Holsti wrote:
>>>
>>>> The rule does seem surprisingly rigid, for a value conversion. (The
>>>> Annotated RM does not explain or motivate it.)
>>>
>>> Ada didn't appreciate structured type equivalence in earlier times. These
>>> rules were designed before anonymous access types crept in.
>>
>> But we are talking about explicitly requested type conversions, not
>> implicit type equivalence. As I understood it, at least.
>
> Yes, but the validity of this conversion relies on an inferred equivalence
> of the [sub]types of the elements.
No, I would rather think that the explicitly requested array-type
conversion implies requests to convert the index [sub]types and the
element [sub]types, too.
> Ada considered them equivalent nominally.
Yes, but in order to be sure that the conversion requires no active
machine code and can be done just by relabeling the type of a reference
to the array.
> A less conservative approach is to consider only those for which
> constraints are no less permissive than ones of the target elements.
Yes (I wrote about that in another reply).
>>>> For a value conversion,
>>>> the default could be to convert element by element, and the compiler
>>>> could then optimize this conversion based on what it can deduce
>>>> statically about the matching of the source and target subtypes.
>>>
>>> Could be interesting when elements themselves are arrays of discriminated
>>> record subtypes constrained via discriminants with array components again
>>> constrained etc.
>>
>> Sure, but this should not require much new intelligence in the compiler.
>
> True.
>
> BTW, there is another issue with that. What happens when some element
> cannot be converted? Constraint_Error is to propagate. What happens with
> the target. Will be previously assigned elements rolled back?
A matter of definition. Ada already contains the concept of a
"disrupted" assignment, which can be caused by the failure of a
language-defined check and in which the variable being assigned then
becomes abnormal.
--
Niklas Holsti
Tidorum Ltd
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2012-08-06 16:45 Ada.Locales pseudo-string types Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 17:10 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 19:15 ` J-P. Rosen
2012-08-06 19:34 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-06 20:07 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 20:57 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-06 21:09 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-06 23:07 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-06 23:23 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-06 23:46 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-07 1:17 ` Vasiliy Molostov
2012-08-07 7:20 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-07 7:43 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-08-09 20:47 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-07 8:44 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 13:14 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 15:42 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-07 18:22 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 20:10 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-07 20:42 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 21:38 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-08 7:04 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-08 7:18 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 7:37 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-08 8:09 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 11:14 ` Niklas Holsti [this message]
2012-08-08 11:59 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 14:01 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-09 7:48 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-09 8:31 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-09 12:17 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-09 15:25 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-09 16:43 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 8:28 ` J-P. Rosen
2012-08-08 11:35 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-08 14:05 ` Georg Bauhaus
2012-08-08 7:32 ` J-P. Rosen
2012-08-08 8:17 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-08 8:33 ` J-P. Rosen
2012-08-08 11:44 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-09 21:00 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-08 8:35 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 9:32 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-08 10:11 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 11:28 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-08 11:30 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-08 11:35 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-08 12:24 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 11:52 ` Niklas Holsti
2012-08-08 13:21 ` Dmitry A. Kazakov
2012-08-08 9:07 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 20:43 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 21:59 ` Robert A Duff
2012-08-07 22:19 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-08 0:37 ` Robert A Duff
2012-08-07 15:26 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-07 18:07 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-07 17:51 ` Simon Wright
2012-08-06 20:00 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 19:49 ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2012-08-06 20:11 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 17:37 ` Michael Rohan
2012-08-06 18:23 ` Marius Amado-Alves
2012-08-06 19:36 ` Michael Rohan
2012-08-09 21:15 ` Randy Brukardt
2012-08-07 5:57 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2012-08-07 15:46 ` Adam Beneschan
2012-08-07 17:51 ` Jeffrey R. Carter
2012-08-09 21:17 ` Randy Brukardt
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