From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Received: by 10.66.155.3 with SMTP id vs3mr4979378pab.20.1422312411211; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:46:51 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.182.33.38 with SMTP id o6mr144627obi.16.1422312411106; Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:46:51 -0800 (PST) Path: eternal-september.org!reader01.eternal-september.org!reader02.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!mx02.eternal-september.org!feeder.eternal-september.org!news.glorb.com!hl2no2669334igb.0!news-out.google.com!db6ni9188igc.0!nntp.google.com!hl2no2669328igb.0!postnews.google.com!glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 14:46:50 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <616ae348-41f6-446f-9c4b-0da8e398e75b@googlegroups.com> Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com Injection-Info: glegroupsg2000goo.googlegroups.com; posting-host=173.18.241.25; posting-account=HQu3XwoAAACgXAZiVLlGuYCkuhxw8i0w NNTP-Posting-Host: 173.18.241.25 References: <0Kgqw.953330$_k.685364@fx16.iad> <397379a8-d894-46c9-b8a7-13c590af42ba@googlegroups.com> <616ae348-41f6-446f-9c4b-0da8e398e75b@googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Subject: Re: What is the best license to use for open source software? From: "Jedi Tek'Unum" Injection-Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 22:46:51 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xref: news.eternal-september.org comp.lang.ada:24747 Date: 2015-01-26T14:46:50-08:00 List-Id: On Monday, January 26, 2015 at 9:37:34 AM UTC-6, David Botton wrote: > > So this was a bit of a rant - but nonetheless indicative of the situati= on. The response - lack of - is always the same. >=20 > You make a couple of statements at the end of a thread 150+ messages stat= ing gripes about things you tried but haven't asked for help where you got = stuck and somehow that is "indicative of the situation", i.e. that no one p= icks up on a troll? The thread already had plenty of tangents and it was a few of those that go= t me here. > > If the Ada community is not interested in broadly attacking the problem= then nothing is going to change. >=20 > Perhaps: >=20 > 1. Start a new thread with a specific issue you need help on > 2. Start a new thread with one specific issue you want to know how or if = is being addressed by others > 3. Start a new thread about what _you_ plan on contributing or how you wo= uld like to contribute >=20 > The Ada community doesn't need people to tell them what is wrong, they ne= ed people to do something about it. >=20 > When I rant it is part of a clear agenda of a strategic set of actual act= ions, code, and deliverables, i.e. part of the solution. >=20 > It seems that you have skills you can put to use for coding or helping to= build reusable non-license viral compiler packages, etc. Looking forward t= o see your solutions. So the community here would rather shoot the messenger than accept the mess= age? Like I said, nothing changes. All the good intentions in the world w= on't solve it. Despite individuals making valuable contributions to moving= the bar, the bar is still crushingly low. I don't need help with a specific issue. I'm very experienced in lots of t= hings but not Ada. Given the general issue, I am not inclined to become ex= perienced in Ada. Since I'm retired I have plenty of time on my hands yet = this seems too risky even for me. I should fit the definition of low hangi= ng fruit. I am not trolling and do not have any agenda to see Ada fail. On the contr= ary, on paper Ada looks like something everybody should be using for everyt= hing and I'd like to learn it and use it to develop things. The frustrating thing is that this situation has existed for 20+ years. It= seems the community lacks the critical mass required to converge on effect= ive solutions.