From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,75a75201ffc344e3 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-01 10:10:08 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!news.iucc.ac.il!not-for-mail From: "Ehud Lamm" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: AdaGIDE 6.52 release (Ada GUI IDE for Windows 9x/NT/...) Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 21:03:42 +0200 Organization: Ehud Lamm Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: di3-91.dialin.huji.ac.il X-Trace: news.iucc.ac.il 1017684369 23254 132.64.13.91 (1 Apr 2002 18:06:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@news.iucc.ac.il NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 18:06:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:21955 Date: 2002-04-01T21:03:42+02:00 List-Id: "Gautier Write-only-address" wrote in message news:mailman.1017661443.11619.comp.lang.ada@ada.eu.org... > Ehud Lamm: > > >While we are on this topic: > >- I wish I had time to help, but seeing as I don't, let me just > >say that building better beginner's oriented IDEs is highly > >important. Many students of mine (for example) shy away from Ada > >because AdaGIDE (which I really like) doesn't look like Visual Studio. > > I would be prudent if you associate "beginner's oriented" and > "looking like Visual Studio". The possibility of unzipping > a mix of sources, object files, dlls and data, opening an Ada > procedure, click "Build", click "Run" is (maybe) a plus of > AdaGIDE, difficult to beat (especially if you introduce project > files with hardcoded pathes, names etc.). > You also can test a piece of code appearing in this newsgroup > without even touching the keyboard. > For user-friendliness I'd rather look on the Borland side (Delphi). > I was simply reporting my experience. I can offer an explanation, though. Beginners are less experienced in moving between different IDEs. I guess they don't have the correct cognitive categories (they think "Now press F5" instead of "Now build"). So if they are used to Microsoft IDEs (beacuse their first courses used VS or something similar), transition is difficult. Note that for my taste AdaGIDE is better for beginners. It is they that claim otherwise... > For the ressemblance with Visual Studio maybe ObjectAda would be > a better fit ? Indeed many prefer ObjectAda after seeing it. Ehud