From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 102b75,501ec19d1d81daee X-Google-Attributes: gid102b75,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,db9a11afb3da4240 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-04-01 19:20:28 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-xfer.siscom.net!newsxfer.visi.net!154.32.99.10.MISMATCH!psiuk-p2!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors. Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 11:29:35 -0500 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: References: <3CA0A166.501E1D68@despammed.com> <5ly9gcd9ao.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <3CA47835.EBEC352B@despammed.com> <3CA86EA0.9BDF2EFD@despammed.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1017678576 8731 136.170.200.133 (1 Apr 2002 16:29:36 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Apr 2002 16:29:36 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.arch:26285 comp.lang.ada:21972 Date: 2002-04-01T16:29:36+00:00 List-Id: Wes: Would I flame you? :-) Think about it this way: You are already an Ada programmer and possibly within your realm of endeavors, Ada is just fine. When I was doing embedded systems in Ada, I was just fine with the available technology as well - O.K. maybe I wished it was targeted at more processors, but basically I got stuff with the compiler that was equivalent or better than what I got with some other language. But then there are a bunch of non-Ada programmers out there. What do they want and what might Ada provide to get them inside the tent? I know a number of programmers who are personally rather fond of Ada, but that won't use it in developing their products because they get so much more leverage out of some other environment. Saying to them: "Ada is better, but you don't have as well -integrated an IDE, you don't have a bunch of class libraries, you don't have a GUI, and you'll have to futz with the interface to the OS because its not written in Ada, etc., etc., etc..." doesn't get you real far. They'll rightly observe that the mission isn't to use Ada, but rather, to get the job done. If another language with another set of tools gets them there faster/better/cheaper, guess which way they go? Hence, I think its important to discover what developers like about the IDE's they have available to them & I think Ada ought to take that under advisement... :-) MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com "Wes Groleau" wrote in message news:3CA86EA0.9BDF2EFD@despammed.com... > > This is true. Why has it not happened? Because up to now, > no Ada developers with the time and ability to create one > has felt enough need to want to do so. > > If one existed, I'd grab it. But--flame me if you want-- > I do OK without it and can't see anything I can give up > to make room for that as a project. > > I suspect I am not alone--else the tool would already exist. >