From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.4 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_00 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 102b75,501ec19d1d81daee X-Google-Attributes: gid102b75,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,db9a11afb3da4240 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-03-29 18:14:01 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!deine.net!amsnews01.chello.com!news-hub.cableinet.net!blueyonder!psiuk-p2!psiuk-p3!uknet!psiuk-n!news.pace.co.uk!nh.pace.co.uk!not-for-mail From: "Marin David Condic" Newsgroups: comp.arch,comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Language support for flexible handling of system-detected errors. Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 10:09:43 -0500 Organization: Posted on a server owned by Pace Micro Technology plc Message-ID: References: <3CA0A166.501E1D68@despammed.com> <5ly9gcd9ao.fsf@rum.cs.yale.edu> <3CA47835.EBEC352B@despammed.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: dhcp-200-133.miami.pace.co.uk X-Trace: nh.pace.co.uk 1017414585 27834 136.170.200.133 (29 Mar 2002 15:09:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: newsmaster@news.cam.pace.co.uk NNTP-Posting-Date: 29 Mar 2002 15:09:45 GMT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.arch:26140 comp.lang.ada:21875 Date: 2002-03-29T15:09:45+00:00 List-Id: You're right - Ada isn't dead and not likely to die anytime soon, given the types of projects it already has & is likely to get. However, if it wants to grow in popularity (something that is key to long-term survival) I think it needs to cater a little more to what large numbers of developers like to see come with a language. A well integrated, full featured IDE and a large collection of class libraries (all at a price a garage developer can afford) would help in that area. Granted, there are lots of things at both the low end and the high end. Certainly, GNAT with AdaGIDE and gdb at the price of a download is a really good deal. (Its not really sophisticated and could be more smoothly integrated, but at the everyday low price of "free" its really hard to complain!) You can get more sophisticated environments from several vendors - or roll your own from what you can download from the Internet and cobble together. It would just be spiffy to be able to get something a notch up from the bottom at a price point of - say - $500..$700? MDC -- Marin David Condic Senior Software Engineer Pace Micro Technology Americas www.pacemicro.com Enabling the digital revolution e-Mail: marin.condic@pacemicro.com "Wes Groleau" wrote in message news:3CA47835.EBEC352B@despammed.com... > > Yes, such a thing would be really nice. However, the original poster > (OP) > apparently believes that the lack of it means the language is already > dead. It's arguable whether the lack will cause it to die, but it's > a fact that _currently_ there are still projects coding in Ada. > > Many of these projects are big enough to afford Apex, which is (IMHO) > the kind of IDE that the OP was talking about (except for price). And > yet, some of those feel that the GNAT IDE (our some other free one) > is adequate. > > All of them realize that some factor of their project, size, or safety, > or reliability requirements, or ??? are such that using Ada is > mandatory, > IDE or not. > > -- > Wes Groleau > http://freepages.rootsweb.com/~wgroleau