From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,92c39a3be0a7f17d X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-02-27 12:07:58 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!newsfeed.cwix.com!newsfeed1.cidera.com!Cidera!nntp0.pdx.net!not-for-mail From: "Ken Pinard" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Future with Ada Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 12:09:58 -0800 Organization: Portland Internetworks http://www.pdx.net Message-ID: References: <3wdH7.20135$xS6.32614@www.newsranger.com> <9tqete0gqc@drn.newsguy.com> <3C0924D6.2B5A3087@adaworks.com> <250220022121494455%thehouseofcards@remove.this.part.mac.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: pinardfamily.com X-Trace: opus.pdx.net 1014842892 13599 63.105.20.2 (27 Feb 2002 20:48:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@news.pdx.net NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2002 20:48:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:20531 Date: 2002-02-27T12:09:58-08:00 List-Id: I still find it amazing that Companies feel that they are trapped into using a language because of "Trained" available programmers. Companies want Ada because of what it offers, but never want to train individuals on how to use it. If companies actually compare costs, it is cheaper to train programmers to use Ada. The Boeing 777 aircraft was developed using Ada. It was done in half the time with only an 1/8 of the problems of any previous commercial jet aircraft. Boeing then decided that Ada was to expensive. The next project my company worked on was in C++. After its completion, Boeing realized their mistake (it had just as many problems as the original C code). They commissioned our company to redo the software in Ada from the 777 source code. Well, it was cheaper and most important it worked. As another note, I was slated for the 777 upgrade after leaving the company. I never got the job. It seems that it took 1/2 of the expected number of programmers to do the upgrade in Ada then other projects with similiar demands. It was also done in a fraction of the expected time. There are still people at Boeing that believe Ada is too expensive and takes longer. There is still Ada work from the Boeing subcontractors. Finding them is the fun part. Just my 2cents worth Ken Pinard "Michael Card" wrote in message news:250220022121494455%thehouseofcards@remove.this.part.mac.com... > Hey CLA- > > RE: Richard's & Ben's comments about a shortage of ada programmers: > > In article <3C0924D6.2B5A3087@adaworks.com>, Richard Riehle > wrote: > > > "ben@NO_SPAM_EMAIL" wrote: > > > > > That is funny. It is almost impossible to find any Ada wanted ads these > > > days. > > > Actually there are more openings for almost any other language than for Ada. > > > > > > Can you point to ONE commerical Ada opening right now that requires no > > > active security clearance in the US? I bet you there is none. > > > > Over and over, we encounter companies who, after deciding to use Ada for > > its technological advantages, cannot hire qualified Ada programmers. Our > > most recent experience was a company in Silicon Valley. They were excited > > about using Ada, asked us to train some of the people, and then tried to hire > > more programmers to do Ada. They found it nearly impossible to find > > people with experience in their domain, sufficient mathematics, and lots > > of experience in Ada. Sadly, they finally decided to use C++ because it > > was so much easier to find programmers. > > I was wondering why it is perceived as undesirable to train new > programmers in Ada? Certainly hiring an experienced S/W engineer who > has only done C++ or Java, for example, would not require a significant > additional investment to train them in Ada? If teh language really > offers benefits, wouldn't those benefits more than offset the > relatively small cost of buying 2-3 weeks of intense Ada training for > the programmers? > > - Mike