From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 11232c,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid11232c,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,25d5234e7b6ca361 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-02-27 16:05:30 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: xanthian@well.com (Kent Paul Dolan) Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada,misc.misc Subject: Re: Ada versus language-X and "getting real work done" (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Date: 27 Feb 2003 16:05:29 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: References: <3E4E8F8C.9C096985@adaworks.com> <9fa75d42.0302250710.5549baaf@posting.google.com> <3E5C7033.BD5DC462@adaworks.com> <9fa75d42.0302260618.7506cba7@posting.google.com> <3E5CF5C6.84822F57@adaworks.com> <1046299823.547481@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <1046359947.994401@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.8.249.134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1046390729 5701 127.0.0.1 (28 Feb 2003 00:05:29 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 28 Feb 2003 00:05:29 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:59436 comp.object:58563 comp.lang.ada:34696 misc.misc:12208 Date: 2003-02-28T00:05:29+00:00 List-Id: Hyman Rosen wrote > Kent Paul Dolan wrote: >> Interesting that your experience should be so in contrast >> to the ten years of research and effort DoD put into studying >> that very issue in their own shops using their own code >> and repeated system interoperation experiences to the >> contrary, in the work leading up to the first Ada language >> standard. > Do you have any references to support this claim? > Eg., > talks about ease of management and improvement of process > through use of Ada, but there is no mention of interproject > communications. Nope, not a one, that was two decades ago and my notes from the period have gone missing with a dozen changes of residence, just my memories (of the then ongoing debate) as a commissioned officer (who worked day to day as a computer programmer automating nautical chart making) and interested bystander up to 1981, and after that as a student of the eventual head of (one of?) the Ada Validation team(s), in 1984 when he was using an Ada (subset) to Pascal source-to-source translater he had written to teach the first US college Ada programming class, from his class chat. That, plus reading some of the precursor documents to the first Ada standard, and the discussions that accompanied their creation. xanthian.