From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,5f529c91be2ac930 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: 11232c,59ec73856b699922 X-Google-Attributes: gid11232c,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,25d5234e7b6ca361 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-02-26 23:17:33 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!postnews1.google.com!not-for-mail From: xanthian@well.com (Kent Paul Dolan) Newsgroups: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.object,comp.lang.ada,misc.misc Subject: Re: Ada versus language-X and "getting real work done" (was): 64 bit addressing and OOP Date: 26 Feb 2003 23:17:33 -0800 Organization: http://groups.google.com/ Message-ID: References: <3E4E8F8C.9C096985@adaworks.com> <9fa75d42.0302250710.5549baaf@posting.google.com> <3E5C7033.BD5DC462@adaworks.com> <9fa75d42.0302260618.7506cba7@posting.google.com> <3E5CF5C6.84822F57@adaworks.com> <1046299823.547481@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <1quq5v0sb922r76rbpmcs2pe19dr4i5a2r@4ax.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: 129.8.249.134 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: posting.google.com 1046330253 20274 127.0.0.1 (27 Feb 2003 07:17:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: groups-abuse@google.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Feb 2003 07:17:33 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.java.advocacy:59391 comp.object:58471 comp.lang.ada:34651 misc.misc:12173 Date: 2003-02-27T07:17:33+00:00 List-Id: "Steve" wrote: >> Programming language choice is a factor. If you have a >> skilled programmer, language doesn't matter. The problem >> is that it's far harder to find a truly skilled C++ master >> than it is a C one. Both are many times harder to find >> than a skilled Java guru. Not sure about Ada. > While this is an interesting opinion, there is a > significant evidence the choice of language does in fact > matter. A significant amount of work has been done to > determine factors that effect the cost of developing > software, defect rate, etc. > This information is usually ignored. > I'm not sure why this thread is cross posted to 3 > newsgroups since it is likely unproductive to all of them. > Steve > (The Duck) More intriguing to me is where you got that quote, since you removed the attribution. Google Groups, which incorrectly threads on subject line rather than reference header entries, shows only two articles before yours, neither containing what you quoted. xanthian. Umm, and the genesis was a discussion in comp.lang.java.advocacy, which broadened to include computer addressing word width, and to contrast that with the needs of object oriented programming languages including Java, which got the posting widened to comp.object and originally a couple of hardware design groups as well, which got joined by a commentator from the Ada crowd, which got the now Ada-oriented discussion targeted back toward comp.lang.ada, which then devolved into a language versus language war. Such is Usenet, which is why more technical groups should defend themselves with *.advocacy outliers where such discussions could live and be profoundly ignored in the original groups.