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From: Christopher Browne <cbbrowne@acm.org>
Subject: Re: True faiths ( was Re: The true faith )
Date: 12 Jan 2002 17:56:57 GMT
Date: 2002-01-12T17:56:57+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a1ptd8$sdl7v$1@ID-125932.news.dfncis.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: xcvbsfz7b7x.fsf@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU

tfb@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas F. Burdick) writes:
> Nils Goesche <cartan@t-online.de> writes:
> 
> > In article <slrna40nb0.7nn.randhol+abuse@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no>, Preben Randhol wrote:

> > > Capitalism will need to adjust itself in the near future from
> > > the short-term gain view to a long-term view.

> > Funny; ``in the near future''.  This claim is *very* old, but we
> > are still waiting ;-)

> Even restricting one's view to economics alone, look at the United
> States.  We're in the second economic recession in 10 years.  And in
> the time in between, although unemployment was low, wages didn't
> grow.  This isn't much of a refultation of the claim.  Or are you
> just arguing that capitalism still exists?  If so, that's not much
> of an argument.

And "wages" and "unemployment" are forcibly supposed to be related to
the manner of ownership of the results of production _how_?

[You're probably _not_ amongst the clueless on this, but I find it
tremendously irritating when people get spectacularly worshipful about
"capitalism" when they're clearly thinking about things that aren't
forcibly related, such as when concepts of "private property" and
"free markets" could apply equally well under arrangements such as
"mercantilism."]

The notion that it makes sense for "capitalism to adjust itself" to
something when capitalism is an _economic concept_ seems just
spectacularly silly.  It's a _definition_, and definitions don't
adjust themselves.
-- 
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@acm.org")
http://www3.sympatico.ca/cbbrowne/
"We're all  a little weird.  And life is  a little weird. And  when we
find someone whose weirdness is  compatible with ours, we join up with
them  and  fall into  mutually  satisfying  weirdness  - and  call  it
love..." -- R. Fulghum



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2002-01-11 23:46                       ` True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) israel r t
2002-01-12  0:38                         ` Steven T Abell
2002-01-13 12:20                           ` Kevin McFarlane
2002-01-13 18:52                             ` Erik Naggum
2002-01-14  8:12                               ` Espen Vestre
2002-01-14 10:40                                 ` israel r t
2002-01-16  6:42                                   ` Patrick Doyle
2002-01-16  8:00                                     ` israel r t
2002-01-16  8:55                                       ` Espen Vestre
2002-01-20  0:55                                         ` Mad Hamish
2002-01-20  1:18                                           ` Bruce Hoult
2002-02-13 16:31                                             ` Tom Hawker
2002-02-13 17:51                                               ` Larry Kilgallen
2002-02-13 23:28                                               ` Peter Gummer
2002-02-14  3:10                                                 ` Greg C
2002-02-14  1:56                                               ` Hartmann Schaffer
2002-02-14  9:59                                               ` Barry Watson
2002-01-16  8:00                                     ` " Do computers because it pays well" ( was Re: True faiths ) israel r t
2002-01-14 11:00                               ` True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) Immanuel Litzroth
2002-01-18 15:19                                 ` Bob Bane
2002-01-18 17:44                                   ` René
2002-01-18 18:04                                   ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-18 23:22                                     ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-18 23:53                                       ` Matthew Heaney
2002-01-20  5:39                                       ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-20  5:59                                         ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-01-20 15:15                                           ` Software Scavenger
2002-01-21  1:42                                         ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-21  9:52                                           ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-21 16:38                                             ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-21 20:30                                             ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-01-22  5:35                                             ` Raffael Cavallaro
2002-01-18 18:44                                   ` Simon Willcocks
2002-01-22 17:01                                     ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-22 21:59                                       ` Bruce Hoult
2002-01-22 22:08                                         ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-22 23:22                                           ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-23 21:12                                             ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-23 22:24                                               ` Tim Bradshaw
2002-01-24  0:15                                               ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-24  8:14                                                 ` Hyman Rosen
2002-01-24 16:50                                                   ` Canconical C++ assignment (was Re: True faiths ...) Ray Blaak
2002-01-23  2:26                                           ` True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) Bruce Hoult
2002-01-23 17:49                                             ` Richard Riehle
2002-01-22 22:09                                         ` Jim Rogers
2002-01-22 22:54                                           ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-01-22 23:47                                             ` Jim Rogers
2002-01-23  0:08                                               ` Ada SDL Eric Merritt
2002-01-23  1:39                                                 ` Rajat Datta
2002-01-23 10:52                                                 ` Preben Randhol
2002-01-23 13:59                                                   ` Eric Merritt
2002-01-23 16:48                                                     ` Preben Randhol
2002-01-23 16:01                                           ` True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) Greg C
2002-01-26  0:40                                           ` AG
2002-02-11  7:18                                             ` David Combs
2002-02-11 17:50                                               ` Ray Blaak
2002-02-11 20:13                                               ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-02-13 21:17                                               ` Tom Hawker
2002-01-23 17:45                                         ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-01-18 19:36                                   ` Bruce Hoult
2002-01-18 19:57                                     ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-01-18 19:58                                     ` Marc Spitzer
2002-01-18 20:11                                       ` Ed Falis
2002-01-18 22:14                                         ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-19  2:46                                           ` Thomas F. Burdick
2002-01-19  7:32                                     ` av1474
2002-02-13 23:12                                 ` Tom Hawker
2002-01-14 11:42                               ` Kevin McFarlane
2002-01-12  2:31                         ` Victor B. Putz
2002-01-12  3:56                         ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-12  5:49                           ` israel r t
2002-01-12  6:04                             ` Thaddeus L Olczyk
2002-01-12  8:42                               ` Friedrich Dominicus
2002-01-12 15:44                             ` Andreas Bogk
2002-01-14 13:52                             ` Georg Bauhaus
2002-01-12 19:39                           ` Doug Hockin
2002-01-12 19:49                             ` Thaddeus L Olczyk
2002-01-12 20:14                             ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-12 22:45                               ` Fernando Rodr�guez
2002-01-13  1:03                               ` Thomas F. Burdick
2002-01-13  5:24                                 ` Kenny Tilton
2002-01-12 15:58                         ` Preben Randhol
2002-01-12 16:18                           ` Nils Goesche
2002-01-12 17:03                             ` Thomas F. Burdick
2002-01-12 17:56                               ` Christopher Browne [this message]
2002-01-13  0:52                                 ` Thomas F. Burdick
2002-01-13 18:17                                   ` Nils Goesche
2002-01-13 19:04                                     ` Thomas F. Burdick
2002-01-13 19:26                                       ` James A. Robertson
2002-01-13 20:40                                         ` Nils Goesche
2002-01-13 20:43                                     ` Andreas Bogk
2002-01-13 19:05                             ` Preben Randhol
2002-01-13 19:20                               ` Preben Randhol
2002-01-16 12:00                           ` Christian Lynbech
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2002-01-13 15:23                         ` Patrick Doyle
2002-01-13 16:29                           ` Dr. Edmund Weitz
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2002-01-22 14:25                         ` Copying semantics molehill (was Re: True faiths) Patrick Doyle
2002-01-22 15:47                           ` Steven T Abell
2002-01-26 17:32                             ` Patrick Doyle
2002-01-22 18:00                           ` Kaz Kylheku
2002-01-26 17:37                             ` Patrick Doyle
2002-01-28  3:08                           ` Robert Dewar
2002-01-28 18:47                             ` Patrick Doyle
2002-01-23  1:43                       ` True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) Larry Kilgallen
     [not found]                       ` <9jtu3u8cq92b05j47uOrganization: LJK Software <FfppBdBcNxcL@eisner.encompasserve.org>
2002-01-23  2:04                         ` Jim Rogers
2002-01-23 17:02                           ` Darren New
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