From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f4fd2,23202754c9ce78dd X-Google-Attributes: gidf4fd2,public X-Google-Thread: 114809,15edb893ef79e231 X-Google-Attributes: gid114809,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-01-12 08:29:01 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news-spur1.maxwell.syr.edu!news.maxwell.syr.edu!news-was.dfn.de!news-lei1.dfn.de!newsfeed00.sul.t-online.de!newsmm00.sul.t-online.com!t-online.de!news.t-online.com!not-for-mail From: Nils Goesche Newsgroups: comp.lang.lisp,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.smalltalk Subject: Re: True faiths ( was Re: The true faith ) Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:18:55 +0100 Organization: No Such Thing Message-ID: References: <%njZ7.279$iR.150960@news3.calgary.shaw.ca> <3c36fbc5_10@news.newsgroups.com> <4idg3u40ermnp682n6igc5gudp7hajkea9@4ax.com> <76be8851.0201101909.9db0718@posting.google.com> <9jtu3u8cq92b05j47uat3412tok6hqu1ki@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: news.t-online.com 1010852335 01 19015 jDxdTXRESsAseb 020112 16:18:55 X-Complaints-To: abuse@t-online.com X-Sender: 320010282260-0001@t-dialin.net User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.3 (Linux) Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.lisp:24116 comp.lang.ada:18824 comp.lang.eiffel:5373 comp.lang.smalltalk:17821 Date: 2002-01-12T17:18:55+01:00 List-Id: In article , Preben Randhol wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:46:36 +1100, israel r t wrote: >> Yet, if Kent is right, they may have all been " rejected ... for >> substantial reasons and not just superficial ones." > > This implies that the marked is rational and logical. It has shown time > and time again that it isn't. The marked won't choose a superior > technical solution over an inferior yet better marketed or seemingly > cheaper solution. It won't? Where do you know that? Who is ``the market''? Software companies decide for themselves which programming language they use. Your company is free to choose, too. > Capitalisme will need to adjust itself in the near future from the > short-term gain view to a long-term view. Funny; ``in the near future''. This claim is *very* old, but we are still waiting ;-) > It is just as frustrating every time I hear about some company that > makes some kind of "secure" solution and when you ask them what language > they use they say C or C++. When one then ask them why they use such an > unsafe language they start arguing not that C/C++ is safe, they mostly > agree that it isn't, but out of economical concerns or that they need > people that can program and people know C/C++. Well, that's the decision they made, then. If you think it's a wrong one, you could prove it by making a different decision in /your/ company. If you are right, your product should be more successful, right? Blaming the market doesn't make sense at all here. You think the market is ``irrational and illogical''? Who is ``rational and logical'' then? Some communist party? There isn't much of an alternative here; either companies are free to choose, as they are now, or some communist party decides which programming language we all have to use. Just imagine which one would that be, considering the ``rational and logical'' decisions those parties have made in the past... Regards, -- Nils Goesche Ask not for whom the tolls. PGP key ID 0xC66D6E6F