From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,3d6589e7b2c60444 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-05-11 10:14:35 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!logbridge.uoregon.edu!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn13feed!wn12feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: Hyman Rosen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4b) Gecko/20030419 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: employment with ada References: <626e8ae.0305011636.5e899da3@posting.google.com> <4mo7bvc2n70k6eikm3muu2965nbo3m77ov@4ax.com> <3EB415CB.6D97B14D@adaworks.com> <6Mcta.37135$D%4.20715@nwrdny03.gnilink.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <_xvva.15699$rV2.14210@nwrdny01.gnilink.net> Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 17:14:34 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 162.84.205.197 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1052673274 162.84.205.197 (Sun, 11 May 2003 13:14:34 EDT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 11 May 2003 13:14:34 EDT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:37185 Date: 2003-05-11T17:14:34+00:00 List-Id: Robert A Duff wrote: > There is one such "ad hominem" type statement -- it quotes somebody > saying, "MISRA C is a shack built on a swamp!". Anonymously. > > But the stuff after that seems pretty well reasoned and backed up by > evidence. For example, they point out that the rules of MISRA C are > ambiguous, all the tools interpret them differently, and it's not > feasible to check the rules by hand. Why is that a "C-hating screed"? They complain about MISRA-C being ambiguous because C itself is ambiguous. I don't know exactly what that is supposed to mean - probably things like integer sizes being implementation dependent and such, but they don't say. Then they talk about how you should be afraid of being sued if you use C for your implementation. Trust me. To anyone who is not already emotionally invested in Ada, this sounds exactly like the whiny sort of C bashing that makes anyone who hears it immdiately distrust the source. The basic problem is that these screeds seem to claim that it's impossible to produce good software in C, which runs directly counter to the experience of most programmers. Threatening C programmers with lawsuits just enforces the belief that the other languages can't hold up on their merits, but require FUD and force for them to be used.