From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fac41,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 107d55,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid107d55,public X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,c7b637f8b783b7c X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: "Dennis Weldy" Subject: Re: The great Java showcase (re: 2nd historic mistake) Date: 1997/08/29 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 268982731 References: <5tvvsj$lh2$1@news2.digex.net> <34059D8A.3F3B7FA4@brightwood.com> <5u61fk$e23$5@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com> X-MimeOle: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE Engine V4.71.0912.0 Organization: Intergraph Newsgroups: comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.eiffel,comp.lang.java.tech,comp.lang.c++ Date: 1997-08-29T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: I would suggest this approach: come up with a way to tie Eiffel to the Web. Were it not for the web, would Java have such a large following? Another query: is there an Eiffel compiler (EDK) which I can download? Dennis Paul Johnson wrote in article <5u61fk$e23$5@miranda.gmrc.gecm.com>... >In article <34059D8A.3F3B7FA4@brightwood.com>, bretts@brightwood.com says... >> >>Ell wrote: > >>Since everyone is trying to give me a technological history lesson, >>let's examine that for a second. Has Burger King's or Pepsi's efforts >>to defame their #1 competitors been successful? Last I checked, they >>are both still very much #2. So, what we learn from this is that when >>the #2 tries to dethrone the #1 by directly attacking it, it doesn't >>seem to work well. > >Avis did rather well with "we try harder". I don't think you can read >too much into this. > >>Now, how about an example of superior technology that won out? Take the >>Japanese car manufacturers of the 80s. > >They were not competing in a standards war. > >Imagine that the Japanese cars, for some strange reason, had to be >right-hand-drive models whereas the US standard is left-hand-drive (I >do hope I've got that the right way round). How many cars would they >have sold then? > >>I am interested in Java and play with it, but I am >>certainly not so delusional as to think it has yet fully arrived, is >>suitable for air traffic control systems, or will ever solve the world's >>problems. > >Some people are not as enlightned as you. > >Also, I think you might forgive us some frustration. Eiffel has been >around now for over 10 years, but is still very much a minority language. >Sun come along with Java, and suddenly it makes more progress in 1 year than >Eiffel has in its entire existence, despite being clearly inferior to >Eiffel on every ground that Eiffel has ever been criticised on. >Aaarrrggghhhh. > >>Yet when Eiffel proponents denounce it as a toy or a sham, >>they insinuate that those who use it are not intelligent enough to make >>the proper choice. > >So what do we do? Shut up and be smug about how we know so much better? > >Java, I notice, is being hyped as an improvement on C++ (which it is). >Why can't we hype Eiffel as an improvement on both? > >Paul. > >-- >Paul Johnson | GEC-Marconi Ltd is not responsible for my opinions. | >+44 1245 242244 +-----------+-------------------------------------- ---+ >Work: | You are lost in a twisty maze of little >Home: | standards, all different. > >. >