From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,11414a19b0e4a97a X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news2.google.com!npeer03.iad.highwinds-media.com!news.highwinds-media.com!feed-me.highwinds-media.com!nntp.club.cc.cmu.edu!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Warren Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Advice on selling Ada to a C shop Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <8bd88ec5e6b94d7a9924f620f3c35dab@tatooine.homelinux.net> Injection-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 20:07:48 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="9f8M0iN5t54V+4DF/iqO8g"; logging-data="10170"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19csB3fe5klP5aUtqC+hPb3wAEnKhm8sFE=" User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 X-Face: &6@]C2>ZS=NM|HE-^zWuryN#Z/2_.s9E|G&~DRi|sav9{E}XQJb*\_>=a5"q]\%A;5}LKP][1mA{gZ,Q!j Cancel-Lock: sha1:FFl5qwhC+QeiTgSmS0Rtdp3gFq0= Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:11861 Date: 2010-06-21T20:07:48+00:00 List-Id: starwars expounded in news:8bd88ec5e6b94d7a9924f620f3c35dab@tatooine.homelinux.net: >> I think you are generally right, until you get to "Quality >> no longer matters". I think it usually _does_ matter, but as >> you say, they've come to accept bugs as "normal". A quality >> product is still the goal from semi-honest companies. Certainly >> from a competitive pov. > > That is simply not the case in several markets I am aware of, to the > extent that the management called all the staff together and announced > something like "We are no longer interested in being the best or > putting out the best code. We studied the market and being ... But it is the "being the best is too expensive" part that is being challenged by Ada. If you solved that problem, then it either moves to the next _excuse_ or they actually do become the best. Warren