From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,11414a19b0e4a97a X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!feeder.news-service.com!85.214.198.2.MISMATCH!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Warren Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Advice on selling Ada to a C shop Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <101bf8f3-b823-45ee-9afd-40cbafb4b7a9@t26g2000prt.googlegroups.com> Injection-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 14:07:24 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="9f8M0iN5t54V+4DF/iqO8g"; logging-data="7989"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/EuIMfUg188ov7ZAtnQ1R8NsZin2cUrjM=" User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 X-Face: &6@]C2>ZS=NM|HE-^zWuryN#Z/2_.s9E|G&~DRi|sav9{E}XQJb*\_>=a5"q]\%A;5}LKP][1mA{gZ,Q!j Cancel-Lock: sha1:1yHKs1Ro9PSQeYEqsAFCf4VwJkM= Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:11850 Date: 2010-06-21T14:07:24+00:00 List-Id: Jeffrey R. Carter expounded in news:hvkcf6$auo$1@tornado.tornevall.net: > usenet@scriptoriumdesigns.com wrote: >> >> So, what points would you emphasize to each (manager, programmers) to >> make the Ada sale? I've read a lot of the advocacy and I think I >> have a fair handle on it, but I'd still like other viewpoints, and >> perhaps even examples of such a successful switch. > > I think there is no way to sell Ada to developers. Ada is a > SW-engineering language; coders don't like it. In my experience, 98% > of developers are coders. SW engineers generally like Ada once they > become aware of it. So if your people are SW engineers, Ada will sell > itself; if they're coders, there's no way to sell it to them. This is why I suggest that they try it with GNAT 2010 with the ATMEGA chips. But even this might be a hard place to start from (learning the Ada language). But if they have Linux and some free time with GNAT first, then an AVR project should not be a big leap from there. If you have to sell the developers, you got to get them to "want" it. They need to sell themselves somehow. That is where a pilot project or proof of concept comes in. Learning Ada is an uphill climb at first and many may only climb it kicking and screaming ;-) If they are to be self taught, then I'd also plan on providing some good texts for them. Warren