From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD, FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,11414a19b0e4a97a X-Google-NewGroupId: yes X-Google-Attributes: gida07f3367d7,domainid0,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news3.google.com!feeder.news-service.com!85.214.198.2.MISMATCH!eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Warren Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: Advice on selling Ada to a C shop Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Message-ID: References: <101bf8f3-b823-45ee-9afd-40cbafb4b7a9@t26g2000prt.googlegroups.com> Injection-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:43:49 +0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: mx02.eternal-september.org; posting-host="9f8M0iN5t54V+4DF/iqO8g"; logging-data="30244"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX193Pw4TGgCo5Qpf06SpKXhTcvLDex8TezY=" User-Agent: Xnews/5.04.25 X-Face: &6@]C2>ZS=NM|HE-^zWuryN#Z/2_.s9E|G&~DRi|sav9{E}XQJb*\_>=a5"q]\%A;5}LKP][1mA{gZ,Q!j Cancel-Lock: sha1:j1gUTgp4uxOnk0OkPXpLFNz/hg0= Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:11848 Date: 2010-06-21T13:43:49+00:00 List-Id: expounded in news:101bf8f3-b823-45ee-9afd-40cbafb4b7a9 @t26g2000prt.googlegroups.com: > I may have the opportunity to pitch Ada for use in some new projects > (industrial equipment) at work. Your situation may be better (industrial equipment) than the one in which I made an attempt. But I think you will face two major challenges: 1. Price tag on Ada development suite (depending upon "equipment" choices) - a management sell. In my case, the idea was considered too "weird" to be taken seriously (in a financial institution). 2. Selling it to the development staff (which you mentioned) To pitch it to management, I think one possibility is to demonstrate it in something inexpensive. I understand that GNAT 2010 will support the AVR suite. So that has almost zero cost if you do a "proof of concept" project. As part of that, perhaps you can organize a pair of "challenge" teams. Have the project well defined and involving concurrency. Measure the progress and success of each team. Selling to the development staff may be a tough sell, outside of the US. If there is a virtually zero job market for Ada, then I've seen developers snub it for that reason alone. If you have that problem, then a favourable management decision might be where your focus should be. ;-) > In the end, it seems, it all comes down to money. Money saved in > greater productivity and less debugging, money saved in lower > liability and maintenance, money gained from satisfied customers who > get a robust product, and maybe even money saved in having programmers > who have a more powerful and safer tool at their disposal. Maybe. I sense that some defence contractors enjoy the followup servicing of bugs, if they can charge for it. ;-) Warren