From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,2e91a32061bde112 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Pascal Martin Subject: Re: JAVA and ADA JGNAT Date: 2000/02/07 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 582727950 References: <862sv5$sug$1@pirates.Armstrong.EDU> <862t3o$9aa1@news.cis.okstate.edu> <86k8r6$alp$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <86kpbu$aik1@news.cis.okstate.edu> <86la8r$519$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <87i8h0$lki$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <87jrv3$n7r$1@nnrp1.deja.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@mediaone.net X-Trace: cmnws01.we.mediaone.net 949944823 24.130.45.139 (Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:33:43 PST) Organization: MediaOne-Road Runner, Western Region NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2000 09:33:43 PST Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Date: 2000-02-07T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In article <87jrv3$n7r$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, Robert Dewar wrote: >> Well.. Transmeta is not in competition with RedHat: > > Of course Transmeta is in competition with Redhat, sure they > do not currently compete head on, but they are both aiming > at the commercial Linux market. Right now, Redhat is not > focussed on the same area (Transmeta's aim is to produce > a mobile version of Linux, which is stripped down, and it I stand by my opinion :-): the Transmeta sales material is full of CPU chip description. They are competing head on with Intel and AMD, not with RedHat. They provide Mobile-Linux in order to sell chips: you cannot sell CPU chips without software. I have seen no Transmeta sales brochures on business support, nor any adds for Linux CDs. Transmeta is aiming to sell its chips to PC and gizmo vendors. RedHat is aiming to sell the OS to these and support to the customers of these. The two are going to live happily together for years to come (at least I hope so..) For an authorized view on Transmeta "software business", here is the Linus testimony: "Actually, Mobile Linux came about because we had customers that wanted to run Linux on those smaller devices like handhelds, so it was on their demand really.It isn't really a new version of Linux, mind you, [...]" (URL: http://gnet.dhs.org/linus/) > Redhat is not currently in the mobile Linux market, but > that does not mean they are not both competitors. Even when RedHat will be in the mobile market, that will be to Transmeta advantage: they might sell more chips. > Take Tivo as an example. Currently this consumer product > uses a version of Linux developed specifically for Tivo, They use, but they don't sell. If you buy a computer, you do not become an IBM competitor, even if you bought a Sun.. If you use Linux, you do not become a RedHat competitor automatically. I guess Tivo is busy enough trying to convince us couch potatoes that they can enhance our TV experience. They don't have any time left for entering the Linux distribution business, a crowded one if you want my opinion (I know, Robert, you did not ask :-). Is the same fear (customers becoming competitors) driving ACT's strategy ? > The only special power held by the copyright holder for GPL'ed > software is the ability to subsequently release a version under > some other license (e.g. a fully proprietary product). So this > is not really an issue (I am not sure why you raised it). You misunderstood: these are two separate points: 1) the copyright is not RedHat, so they cannot even argue about it, 2) it happens that when the developper leaves, the software often follows, which never happens in the proprietary world (because of the copyright). > Well if you think that Microsoft is simply a software editor > and does no internal development, then your viewpoint is even > more remote from reality than I thought. I am not even sure I did not say such a thing. I just meant that Microsoft does a lot of money as a software editor. I read somewhere, about 5 years ago, that a significant part of the Microsoft income was made of ouside software sales. Now you can call me fuzzy ! :-)) ------------------------------------------------------------------ Pascal F. Martin.