From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, PP_MIME_FAKE_ASCII_TEXT autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,38159b1b5557a2e7 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2004-01-25 05:47:36 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news2.google.com!newsfeed2.dallas1.level3.net!news.level3.com!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!news.state.mn.us!arclight.uoregon.edu!wn11feed!worldnet.att.net!199.45.49.37!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny02.gnilink.net.POSTED!da342007!not-for-mail From: "Stephane Richard" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <400BDB7C.40100@noplace.com> <400D2150.6000705@noplace.com> <400E72F9.8060501@noplace.com> <400FD4F7.8050805@noplace.com> <4011CF46.3040001@noplace.com> <10140vm4dkkr9b3@corp.supernews.com> <401272E3.4040506@noplace.com> <10160jcm6ma1acf@corp.supernews.com> Subject: Re: Standard Ada Preprocessor X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 13:47:35 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.149.81.167 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny02.gnilink.net 1075038455 141.149.81.167 (Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:47:35 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:47:35 EST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:4793 Date: 2004-01-25T13:47:35+00:00 List-Id: What's the URL for Ada-comment? -- St�phane Richard "Ada World" Webmaster http://www.adaworld.com "Randy Brukardt" wrote in message news:10160jcm6ma1acf@corp.supernews.com... > "Marin David Condic" wrote in message > news:401272E3.4040506@noplace.com... > ... > > Oh sure. They are better than a sharp stick in the eye and if you have > > to control representation, they're an elegant solution. But they are > > still "Butt Ugly" in the sense that the instant you use one, you can't > > promise that the code will work *anywhere* except on the one > > compiler/target where you built it. > > There is hardly any (useful) code that will work *anywhere*. Most existing > free Ada code won't run on Janus/Ada out of the box because Integer is > 16-bit -- and thus a lot of operations overflow. (Of course, there's no > problem with proper type declarations, but those are rare.) And a lot of > code is dependent in some way on the target - for GUI or output devices or > whatever. Certainly adding a rep. clause has little effect on that. > Especially if your world view pretty much starts and ends with PC hardware > (as mine does practically). > > We build Claw from the ground up with the intent of making it portable to > every Windows compiler -- yet there a quite a few differences that we have > to deal with. So rep. clauses don't bother me; it is extremely rare that > they would make code less portable than it already is. > > > As for submitting something to the ARG? I'll leave that to the language > > lawyers. They'll come up with far better proposals than I could ever > > write - so long as they think the idea might be a good one. > > The language lawyers are unlikely to even pay any attention to it unless you > submit a worked out change request. We have enough such requests that we > certainly aren't looking for more! > > I view this is list pretty much as what Robert Dewar called a "chat list" - > a place where people gripe a lot, turn molehills into mountains (and vice > versa), and you can't gauge much of anything by the conversations here. I > read this list mainly as part of my work for one of my other hats (webmaster > at adaic.org) -- I'm trolling for newsworthy items. There have been > occassional ideas where I got excited enough to propose something to the ARG > ("private with" is the one that comes to mind), but these days I feel > swamped enough that it would have to be a stupendous idea before I'd make > more work for myself. > > So, if you want something done, you need to take action to make a proposal > on Ada-Comment. It certainly doesn't need to be perfect - and even if it is, > the ARG would change it all around before standardizing it - but if no one > asks, it's very unlikely that the topic would even come up. Griping here may > feel good, but it has virtually no impact on the future of Ada. > > Randy. > > > > I'm just the > > end-user of Ada - a customer - expressing what he thinks would make the > > language more usable on a day-to-day level. We're a dwindling herd, so > > maybe those opinions ought to get some attention by the people who make > > and sell Ada. Hope springs eternal! :-) > > >