From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FROM_WORDY autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,447bd1cf7a88c198 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-01-11 05:46:26 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!hub.org!hub.org!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!news.maxwell.syr.edu!nntp.flash.net!news.flash.net!not-for-mail From: "Ken Garlington" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <3A4F5A4A.9ABA2C4F@chicagonet.net> <3A4F759E.A7D63F3F@netwood.net> <3A50ABDF.3A8F6C0D@acm.org> <92qdnn$jfg$1@news.huji.ac.il> <3A50C371.8B7B871@home.com> <3A51EC04.91353CE7@uol.com.br> <3A529C97.2CA4777F@home.com> <3A53CB9E.EA7CF86C@uol.com.br> <3A5466DE.811D43A5@acm.org> <932aol$ikc$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <932mi6$r2k$1@trog.dera.gov.uk> <9343b1$3g5$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <934iuf$eqv$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <937kc7$ssq$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93c0e9$4u6$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93e33l$tfu$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93ekmo$a14$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93f73f$mt1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93fd9v$s03$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <93fpth$697$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <3A5B77DE.D954CC83@adapower.net> <93ihgp$fah$1@nnrp1.deja.com> Subject: Re: JOVIAL (was Do we need "Mission-Critical" software?) X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 13:41:11 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 216.215.81.224 X-Complaints-To: abuse@flash.net X-Trace: news.flash.net 979220471 216.215.81.224 (Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:41:11 CST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:41:11 CST Organization: FlashNet Communications, http://www.flash.net Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:3906 Date: 2001-01-11T13:41:11+00:00 List-Id: "Robert Dewar" wrote in message news:93ihgp$fah$1@nnrp1.deja.com... : By the way, regarding current activity in the JOVIAL area, : DDCI announces JOVIAL support on their main web page. I'm not sure what "announce" means here... according to the description of their JOVIAL product line, their compiler was built in 1983! IIRC, DDC-I (http://www.ddci.com) bought this toolset from InterACT (which was previously known as ACT, oddly enough) some time back. The InterACT compiler was the standard for the F-16 software developed at Fort Worth, and there is still some software which is maintained using it (less every day, as I noted previously). I don't remember exactly what happened to InterACT, but I couldn't locate them with a web search. As far as I know there are also two other compilers available: the ITS toolset managed by the Air Force (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/jovial/) and the PSS compiler (http://www.pro-software.com/). These were the same three compilers around in 1984 when I was programming in JOVIAL, so there's certainly not been much growth in this field. Based on these websites, I get the sense that there haven't been many sales lately either. In their December 2000 newsletter, DDC-I does talk about the use of SCORE/ANDF technology to help mitigate language obsolescence issues, and says: "The original code may have been written in languages not used or taught today, e.g. JOVIAL. Hiring programmers with these skills or even training current staff may not be possible. Instead of continuing the old language, the new software is written in a more modern language." DDC-I is also actively promoting their support for moving from VAXen to Solaris, so I'd say their opinion of the future of either JOVIAL or VAX is not positive!