From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,a1ce307c10055549 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-12-11 06:46:14 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!bloom-beacon.mit.edu!nycmny1-snh1.gtei.net!cambridge1-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!bos-service1.ext.raytheon.com!bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Wes Groleau Reply-To: wesgroleau@despammed.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826 X-Accept-Language: en,es-MX,es,pt,fr-CA,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: IBM Acquires Rational Ada References: <3DF1615C.7AAAC86E@adaworks.com> <3DF1B042.6603DDDE@easystreet.com> <3DF2A483.EC512CDF@adaworks.com> <8db3d6c8.0212091445.12594821@posting.google.com> <3DF628C4.7090607@cogeco.ca> <3DF6653D.3030603@cogeco.ca> <8db3d6c8.0212101850.51506572@posting.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:46:14 -0500 NNTP-Posting-Host: 151.168.133.155 X-Complaints-To: news@ext.ray.com X-Trace: bos-service2.ext.raytheon.com 1039617974 151.168.133.155 (Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:46:14 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2002 09:46:14 EST Organization: Raytheon Company Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:31688 Date: 2002-12-11T09:46:14-05:00 List-Id: > what the ultimate customer wants and needs. We keep thinking "Take your time > and get it right. It'll pay in the long run". This may be true and the > customer will be glad he's got that one day, but what would be far more > compelling in making the sale is "This will get you to market faster!" If > the Ada community started focusing in on developmental leverage that got > someone to market quicker, that would be a quality they wouldn't (and > couldn't!) ignore. If you could _convince_ them it would get them to market faster. My point was that they first find out that it doesn't get something COMPILED faster, so they drop it and never find out how long it takes to get to market. And in the "hacker" world (in the good sense of the term), getting something compiled is for some a good goal in itself, because that way you get it out there faster for other people to debug. Hmmm. Come to think of it, getting it out there for the customer to debug seems to be the paradigm in some commercial domains as well!