From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,603ffd4a878bd6cc X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!local01.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.comcast.com!news.comcast.com.POSTED!not-for-mail NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:01:48 -0500 From: "Chip and Allie Orange" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <1177680878.226297.151180@s33g2000prh.googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: Cohen: "Ada As A Second Language" - 05 Update? Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:59:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: 68.35.222.233 X-Trace: sv3-XjP411LUx87fR+56HDnI5zri+YF/3riE/GcBLd25Ox3Z0414S3R/vfunvxGB5ZZZhMkG3FXm/mAKHBe!euDDBQB0MhAcGKc80PuOB4mrRn13RyNoHNIZNO7QgIkfX71IxEAGhYcR54dIfKcl6Qzf10ADlPtw!oBBFlpMMGrBkxoF+Jqu/Nc+R/CHebw== X-Complaints-To: abuse@comcast.net X-DMCA-Complaints-To: dmca@comcast.net X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly X-Postfilter: 1.3.34 Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:15391 Date: 2007-04-28T17:59:10-04:00 List-Id: Hi Richard, Just one note: my brother-in-law worked for Rational, and now for IBM, and is their lead programmer on the run-time for Apex. They have reduced their staff, and aren't making much effort in marketing it, but they are still supporting and developing Apex. As far as I can tell, it's the lack of marketing, not support, that gives the impression that they've "lost their way" in regards to Ada. I also understand that Apex is still considered the market leader in Ada cross-compilers for embedded systems. BTW, I am especially appreciative of your book being made available in electronic form, and not just paper. I do wish more e-books were available for Ada. Chip wrote in message news:Y%KYh.1684$tp5.1456@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net... > Dr. Cohen works for IBM and IBM has very little interest in > Ada. > > Even Rational, a company now owned by IBM and originally founded > to build Ada compilers and tools, has pretty much lost its way with > regard to Ada. > > It is an economic issue, as well. Since the compiler publishers can no > longer charge inflated prices for Ada compilers for a captive customer, > as they could during the years of the mandate, the economic incentive > has diminished. That fact, coupled with the fact that IBM, for the > most part, has never demonstrated any interest in nor competence > in, Ada, rules out any liklihood that Dr. Cohen will given the resources > he needs to update his book. > > I originally intended to update my own book, Ada Distilled. I had hoped > to be able to do so by this Spring. However, economics again prevails. > The school where I teach has abandoned any interest in Ada, and I am > required to focus my attention on other topics. The text of Ada > Distilled > is in the public domain, pretty much as open source, so anyone who might > want to update it, as a consortium, or as an individual, is free to do so. > I > would only hope that such an effort would be carried out in the spririt of > the original work with an emphasis on clarity tempered with brevity. > > Richard Riehle > > "pakman" wrote in message > news:YImdnaBvGOMUjK_bnZ2dnUVZ_ualnZ2d@comcast.com... >> Greetings, >> >> As a reviewer of Cohen's Ada as a 2nd Language, 2nd ed, I had contacted >> Mr. Cohen and asked him if he had any plans of updating his excellent >> text for Ada 2005. >> >> He replied that he did not have any plans to revise the text. I suspect >> his work has taken him away from keeping up with Ada 2005. >> >> Most unfortunate, as I've considered Mr. Cohen's text the be the most >> complete and nearly perfect of all the Ada texts. >> >> Perhaps if we petition IBM and Mr. Cohen he might reconsider. >> >> I would be willing to review the text again. >> >> John Cupak >> >> "PnkFlyd" wrote in message >> news:1177680878.226297.151180@s33g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >>> In a previous thread many people mentioned that they use Cohen's book, >>> as do our staff here at my work (15 Ada programmers). >>> >>> Cohen's website >>> http://domino.research.ibm.com/comm/research_people.nsf/pages/ncohen.index.html >>> does not mention any recent activity in the area writing a 3rd edition >>> to incorporate Ada05. >>> >>> Have any of you heard from Cohen any interest in doing so? Do you >>> think there is enough of an interest to make it a financially viable >>> option that we could possibly champion? I would hate to see Cohen's >>> excellent book not be picked up by new Ada programmers just because >>> the book is "out of date". >>> >> >> > >