From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,TO_NO_BRKTS_FROM_MSSP autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,be23df8e7e275d73 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-07-11 19:54:50 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!newsfeed.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!feed.textport.net!newsranger.com!www.newsranger.com!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada From: Ted Dennison References: <0zS27.187213$DG1.31590366@news1.rdc1.mi.home.com> <8P_27.27381$B56.4722193@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com> <3B4C98E3.D3E66562@easystreet.com> <3B4CBA12.7F752364@easystreet.com> <3B4CD02D.D6E3E53C@easystreet.com> Subject: Emacs vs. the World Message-ID: X-Abuse-Info: When contacting newsranger.com regarding abuse please X-Abuse-Info: forward the entire news article including headers or X-Abuse-Info: else we will not be able to process your request X-Complaints-To: abuse@newsranger.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:54:45 EDT Organization: http://www.newsranger.com Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:54:45 GMT Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9848 Date: 2001-07-12T02:54:45+00:00 List-Id: In article <3B4CD02D.D6E3E53C@easystreet.com>, Al Christians says... >font. Emacs, wasn't. So, I just tried it, first time for me, >in Delphi and MSVC++. I find it in 3 mouse clicks (0 keystrokes) >through the pulldowns on each of those programs. I don't have to Exactly how did you do that with MSVC++? Seriously. As I said before, the only way I found to do it in there (version 6.0) requres no less than..let's check again...1 click-drag-release, followed by 8 mouse clicks. This to get to the same place I get in Emacs with one simultanious keypress-click. >It's OK to appeal to the minority who don't like point and click It would be nice if we even *had* the problem where it was just a matter of perspective. For the most part what we have is a bunch of editors that flat out can't do all the things Emacs can do. I'm not allergic to the mouse specificly. But I *do* need functionality. I need stuff like saved multi-buffer macros, rectangular cut-and-paste, source code reformatting at the press of a key or two, auto-capitalization (even when acronyns are involved), command shells with infinite history (some would say that I also need "doctor" :-) ). This stuff isn't fluff, it saves me tons of time and headaches. IDE's with an editor that can't do all this (and much more that I didn't mention) may be really nice, but I can't use them. It would be knowingly wasting my own time. I'm not trying to sit here and say that its impossible to make an editor better than Emacs. But Emacs has been under constant development and scrutiny by hundreds of developers for over 16 years now. You certianly aren't going to whip up something better in a month, or even a year. Even with a full-time team you probably couldn't begin to get close to its funtionality and extensibility in 2 years of work, and in that time the Emacs community won't have been standing still either. So why even try? Just integrate it into your environment. If you have a good reason to believe that there's something wrong with its presentation, fix it! It may not be easy, but it'll certianly be easier than reproducing everything good that Emacs has. --- T.E.D. homepage - http://www.telepath.com/dennison/Ted/TED.html home email - mailto:dennison@telepath.com