From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 1108a1,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gid1108a1,public X-Google-Thread: fac41,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidfac41,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4b06f8f15f01a568 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: f43e6,9a0ff0bffdf63657 X-Google-Attributes: gidf43e6,public From: Ell Subject: Re: Software landmines (loops) Date: 1998/09/04 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 387777204 References: <904556531.666222@miso.it.uq.edu.au> <6sgror$je8$3@news.indigo.ie> <6sh3qn$9p2$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6simjo$jnh$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6sjk3p$4tc$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6skgn4$3gq$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6sm6md$3fh$1@hirame.wwa.com> <6smv8q$cc5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> X-Complaints-To: abuse@digex.net X-Trace: newsreader.digex.net 904898677 205.197.245.193 (Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:44:37 EDT) Organization: The Universe User-Agent: tin/pre-1.4-980226 (UNIX) (SunOS/4.1.4 (sun4m)) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 04:44:37 EDT Newsgroups: comp.lang.eiffel,comp.object,comp.software-eng,comp.lang.ada Date: 1998-09-04T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: In comp.object Jeffrey C. Dege wrote: : -- : "Necessity is the mother of invention" is a silly proverb. "Necessity : is the mother of futile dodges" is much nearer the truth. : -- Alfred North Whitehead We can take that the tone here is not Whitehead's because you are including your own material in these supposed quotes. This is highly dishonest, and disingenuous in my opinion. It's a shame that you smear the name of Whitehead and unjustifiably associate him with your craftite beliefs as you repeatedly do. Whitehead deserves much better than to be the poster guy for craftism, empiricism, and your backward brand of pragmatism (c/e/p). Of course "necessity is the mother of futile dodges", as it is "necessity"! "Necessity" can only futilely be avoided because by definition it is "necessity" (necessary). OTOH that doesn't mean that by addressing "necessity" we can't thereby gain greater freedom, which is what often happens. Elliott -- :=***=: Objective * Pre-code Modelling * Holistic :=***=: Hallmarks of the best SW Engineering "The domain object model is the foundation of OOD." Check out SW Modeller vs SW Craftite Central : www.access.digex.net/~ell Copyright 1998 Elliott. exclusive of others' writing. may be copied without permission only in the comp.* usenet and bitnet groups.