From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,ce1e7170ab2bc91c X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-03-26 14:20:04 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!newsfeed.wirehub.nl!newspeer1.nac.net!netnews.com!xfer02.netnews.com!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Phaedrus" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <_pNv6.15345$ue1.1278082@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Subject: Re: Why do so many companies use Apex? X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 22:18:26 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.178.103.28 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 985645106 209.178.103.28 (Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:18:26 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:18:26 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:6083 Date: 2001-03-26T22:18:26+00:00 List-Id: > I've never used it myself, so I can't really comment, except to say that I have > heard similar complaints from other Apex users. Which brings me back to my original question (Granted, I hid it clear at the end of a very long post), why do so many companies use it? Seems like the only people who love it are managers, who like the one-stop-shopping, and consultants, who love being employed to maintain the beast. > I'd guess that they see larger projects as their maket niche. In such an > environment, you'd have a full-time toolsmith anyway. Not that I'm > unsympathetic. I too have felt the pain of using tools meant to support hundreds > of developers on a 5-developer job. Ick. It's funny, it's touted as a tool to encrease the efficiency of the developers, but in fact it actually brings development to a crawl. For example, a few years ago I was the project software lead on a small project. With six people on the project, in six months we had 25K lines of code working on the embedded target, and being tested on the target aircraft, by using the Green Hills compiler. Then, a couple of years later I was one of about 30 coders on a much larger project. After two+ years, we finally 25K lines of code, but it was very unstable. Sure, the two projects had very different management and a number of other differences, but still, we must expect that the different development environments had a major part in the difference. And what a difference! Three man-years on the first project for rugged code, and sixty (!) man-years on the second for half-assed code. Okay, okay, empirical evidence isn't the best argument, but coupled with the other complaints you mentioned you'd think that the Ada world would be dropping it like a hot rock. But they aren't, seems like every project that I look at has been saddled with the burden of Apex. Phaedrus