From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.0 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_20 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,f41074d3f38aa459 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1995-03-27 05:23:34 PST Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Path: nntp.gmd.de!Germany.EU.net!howland.reston.ans.net!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!world!srctran From: srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian) Subject: Re: Where's Aetech? In-Reply-To: dweller@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM's message of 24 Mar 1995 17:33:30 -0600 Message-ID: Sender: srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian) Organization: The World References: <1995Mar23.165030.643@nosc.mil> <3kvksa$se8@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> Date: Sun, 26 Mar 1995 16:31:50 GMT Date: 1995-03-26T16:31:50+00:00 List-Id: >From: dweller@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM (David Weller) >Dare we speculate that one each retired Air Force officer failed to >move with the market, and summarily self-destructed his company by >pursuing legal channels to terminate the GNAT program? We can only >hope! :-) Given that Jim Thomes, the ex-Air Force officer in question, and Aetech, was one of the few BUSINESSES spending money to actually advertise Ada in print, and other things to promote Ada outside the Mandated world, I think your attitude toward him stinks, and is why Ada as a business is in so much trouble. Aetech, and many other Ada startups now forgotten (look through the vendor lists from the late 1980's Tri-Adas), all were treated atrociously by the Mandated world, mainly by contradictory Defense procurement regulations that suffocated Ada startups, and by socialists in the DoD giving the big Ada bucks to liars like IBM who ditched the language as soon as the pork tried up. As an investment, the STARS program has been a disaster, money better used to seed an Ada industry instead of filling the pension plans of big, fat DoD contractors. Could Aetech have done things better? Sure, we all could. But I am sick and tired of everyone in the Mandated world, especially certain DISA types, complaining about the lack of a "turbo"-Ada, when the one BUSINESS trying to do so was sandbagged by socialist DoD bureaucrats who have no idea about the market distortions caused by the Ada Mandate and things like GNAT, bureaucrats who could have done much more to change the DoD so startups like Aetech could make a profit with competitive products, profits part of which could have funded efforts to push Ada outside the Mandated world. There are countless studies of advertising (that no one inthe DoD has ever read) showing the consumers want to see advertisements from a company whose products they might buy. In the 1990's, Jim Thomes and Aetech was the only consistent advertiser of Ada (admittedly the small ads at the backs of magazines was not enough but what was affordable). For that alone, and nothing more, Jim deserves better treatment than the above scorn. And that anyone is happy that one of the side-effects of GNAT was to drive one of the few Ada businesses into the ground is very sad, the type of attitude that drives software entrepreneurs into the arms of other languages. Greg Aharonian