From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,3a20687b5291e42e X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 1995-03-23 06:10:18 PST Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Path: nntp.gmd.de!news.rwth-aachen.de!news.rhrz.uni-bonn.de!news.uni-stuttgart.de!rz.uni-karlsruhe.de!xlink.net!howland.reston.ans.net!news.cac.psu.edu!news.pop.psu.edu!hudson.lm.com!newsfeed.pitt.edu!uunet!in1.uu.net!world!srctran From: srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian) Subject: Re: Fed OOPS ... OOPS! We forgot to include Ada! In-Reply-To: Eric Baker's message of 22 Mar 1995 19:08:27 GMT Message-ID: Sender: srctran@world.std.com (Gregory Aharonian) Organization: The World References: <3kkng4$j1s@Starbase.NeoSoft.COM> <3kpsjb$a9s@michp1.redstone.army.mil> Date: Thu, 23 Mar 1995 13:14:53 GMT Date: 1995-03-23T13:14:53+00:00 List-Id: >> P.S. I apologize for using words like "investments", "return", etc. I know >> how nauseating these words are to socialists. > >Is Greg implying that Ada users are socialists?! > >Eric Baker (Republican) No, I am only implying that Ada policy makers are socialists. They spend other people's money with no accountability on behalf of the nation. Their mismanagement ends up in distortions of the marketplace that result in an overpriced and uncompetitive products that can only be sold with massive government subsidies (much like the Ada Mandate props up Ada vendors and contractors), and scare away profit-driven enterprises, resulting in a few large bloated companies commanding most of the business (with the Ada world reduced to Rational/Verdix/Meridian, Alsys/Telesoft, and Loral/IBMFSD/Unisys) who usually end up hiring former socialist bureacrats. Ada has been reduced to such a pathetic commercial state that it needs government (ADAIC) and academic (SIGADA) shills to promote Ada (like at this week's Object World in Boston), with vendors so loathe to marketing Ada that not once in the past six years has any Ada compiler vendor in any software magazine or journal run a full page ad for an Ada compiler with pricing for at least three months in a row. I was talking to one of the socialist bureacrats at DISA who expressed a sincere desire in seeing an Ada compiler marketed commercially with a competitive price, like a souped up version of the Ada CDROM for $50. It is an utterly idiotic investment for a capitalistic (try doing a five year business plan on such a proposition), but nice sounding to a socialist bureaucrat who didn't even know the cost of a one-time, full-page, four color ad in any software journal. Until such time as someone comes forth with any statistic for any segment of the non-Mandated marketplace that shows that Ada has a non-trivial market share, Ada policy management by the DoD will continue to be a disaster. Too much money has been and is being given to people who basically lie to the DoD about their interest and belief in Ada, starting with everyone involved with STARS. Greg Aharonian