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From: Ted Dennison<dennison@telepath.com>
Subject: Re: List container strawman 1.2
Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2001 17:59:14 GMT
Date: 2001-11-19T17:59:14+00:00	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SLbK7.30473$xS6.49203@www.newsranger.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 3BF3EDE5.FE0ED701@brighton.ac.uk

In article <3BF3EDE5.FE0ED701@brighton.ac.uk>, John English says...
(good stuff all)
>
>Iterator is nice too but instantiating the generic (and wrapping the
>operation in an approapriately-shaped procedure first) is probably
>more hassle than a while I <> Last(L) loop, IMHO...

That's my feelings on it too. Additionally, I've found you have to use globals
in the routine to get all of your real work done, which rubs the wrong way
against about 13 years of training on my part. But there are those here who
swear by passive iterators.

>another one I might one would be Shuffle, which is about the same
>level of difficulty... maybe a generalisation such as Swap(Index,Index)
>might be a useful building block for algorithms of this sort.

I suppose. That would let someone write themselves a Bogo-sort if they really
want to.

>I also think that an Index needs to know which list it refers to,
..

We've been down that road. The place it leads is that if you want safe
iterators, you have to make both the indices and the lists controlled and keep a
little mini-list of iterators in each list. The algorithms for doing this
properly aren't unachieveable, but they do make everything quite a bit more
complex. They also create a situation where real-time users will have to be a
lot more careful when they iterate through a list to aviod heap operations.

The current version takes the opposite stance. I'm wavering quite a bit in my
support for it though.

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  reply	other threads:[~2001-11-19 17:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 189+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2001-11-10  3:51 List container strawman 1.2 Ted Dennison
2001-11-10  4:20 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-10  4:59   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 11:14 ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-10 16:24   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 17:39     ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-10 18:31       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 18:45         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-11-10 22:44           ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-11  3:59             ` Steven Deller
2001-11-11 11:29               ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-11-11 17:42                 ` Steven Deller
2001-11-11 12:36             ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-11-10 22:07         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-11 17:28           ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-10 14:51 ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-10 16:08   ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-10 16:23     ` List container: Insert and Delete Nick Roberts
2001-11-10 17:13       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 21:20         ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-10 22:15           ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-10 22:48             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 22:40       ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-11  4:00         ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-11 17:37           ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-11 19:29             ` Steven Deller
2001-11-12  0:20               ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12  3:48                 ` Steven Deller
2001-11-12 13:54                   ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 15:21                     ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-13  1:19                       ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 17:27                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13  1:28                       ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13  1:37                         ` Darren New
2001-11-13 15:58                         ` John English
2001-11-13 17:53                         ` Pascal Obry
2001-11-12 15:42                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12  5:23                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 13:04                   ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 16:36                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 17:20                     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-12 18:55                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12 19:56                         ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-12 20:36                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12 21:14                           ` Darren New
2001-11-13  7:31                           ` Simon Wright
2001-11-13 21:31                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-14  4:43                               ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13  2:16                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 14:18                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 15:03                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 15:28                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 16:16                               ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 19:59                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 20:18                                   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 21:26                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 21:39                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 22:16                                         ` Map container (was: List container: Insert and Delete) Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 15:07                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 22:22                                   ` List container: Insert and Delete Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 17:46                               ` Darren New
2001-11-13 19:25                                 ` Steven Deller
2001-11-13 19:40                                   ` Darren New
2001-11-13 20:53                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 20:10                                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 21:31                                   ` Darren New
2001-11-13 22:37                                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 22:44                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 23:00                                       ` Darren New
2001-11-14 14:31                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 14:20                           ` Steven Deller
2001-11-13 15:48                   ` John English
2001-11-13 20:22                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 12:59                       ` John English
2001-11-14 14:55                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 15:34                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-15 16:35                           ` John English
2001-11-14 16:41                         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 20:22                     ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-13 21:33                       ` Simon Wright
2001-11-14 12:54                       ` John English
2001-11-14 16:43                         ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-14 18:19                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-15  4:29                             ` List container: Sawdust woman 43 Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-15 15:25                               ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-16  1:59                                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-15 20:30                             ` List container: Insert and Delete Simon Wright
2001-11-15 17:01                           ` John English
2001-11-19 17:40                             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-20 10:52                               ` John English
2001-11-13 21:07                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 17:18                 ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-12 17:13               ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-11 23:34             ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 16:33               ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-12 17:28                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13  2:27                   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 14:21                     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14  4:16                       ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-14 15:03                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13  0:51                 ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 16:51               ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13  0:44                 ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13 14:18                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14  4:17                     ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-10 16:12   ` List container strawman 1.2 Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 18:49     ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-11-10 19:29       ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-11 10:46         ` Jean-Marc Bourguet
2001-11-11 13:07           ` Larry Kilgallen
2001-11-10 19:07     ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-11-10 22:53       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 16:45         ` Jacob Sparre Andersen
2001-11-13  0:55           ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13 15:11             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 22:17     ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-11 22:04       ` Simon Wright
2001-11-12 16:53         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13  7:25           ` Simon Wright
2001-11-13 22:04             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 17:43   ` Florian Weimer
2001-11-10 16:46 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-10 18:50   ` Steven Deller
2001-11-12  9:25 ` Martin Dowie
2001-11-12 12:57   ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-12 15:32   ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-12 16:58     ` Martin Dowie
2001-11-12 18:44       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13  7:18         ` Simon Wright
2001-11-13 21:26           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-15 23:53             ` martin.m.dowie
2001-11-12 17:35     ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 18:39       ` Martin Dowie
2001-11-12 19:58         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 18:39     ` Steven Deller
2001-11-12 20:05       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 19:12       ` Stephen Leake
2001-11-12 16:37   ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-12 18:50     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13  1:07       ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13 15:13         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-15 23:54           ` martin.m.dowie
2001-11-13 19:10   ` Stephen Leake
     [not found] ` <3BF0247D.4500975E@san.rr.com>
2001-11-12 20:30   ` Ehud Lamm
2001-11-12 21:57   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-12 22:53     ` Darren New
2001-11-12 22:55       ` Darren New
2001-11-13 15:54         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 19:17           ` Stephen Leake
2001-11-13 22:37           ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-13 15:49       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 16:38         ` Martin Dowie
2001-11-13 19:06           ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 19:43             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 20:50               ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-13 21:08                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-14  4:34                   ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-14 14:58                     ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-13 17:36         ` Darren New
2001-11-14  4:40           ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-13 22:34         ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-14 13:39           ` John English
2001-11-14 15:09             ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-14 16:04               ` Jeffrey Carter
2001-11-14 16:36                 ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-15 16:31               ` John English
2001-11-19 17:59                 ` Ted Dennison [this message]
2001-11-19 21:08                   ` Stephen Leake
2001-11-20 10:43                   ` John English
2001-11-21 19:40                   ` ramatthews
2001-11-22  3:01                     ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-22  9:28                       ` John English
2001-11-24  3:52                         ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-23  2:21                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-24  0:27                         ` John English
2001-11-27 20:04                         ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-28  8:10                           ` Thomas Wolf
2001-11-28 14:29                             ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-28 17:34                               ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-28 18:01                                 ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-28 18:53                                   ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-28 19:08                                     ` Overriding 'Class'Input (was: List container strawman 1.1) Ted Dennison
2001-11-28 19:19                                       ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-28 20:40                                       ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-28 21:21                                         ` Ted Dennison
2001-11-28 21:50                                           ` Marin David Condic
2001-11-29  5:12                                             ` Nick Roberts
2001-11-29 20:04                               ` List container strawman 1.2 Thomas Wolf
2001-11-16  0:01             ` martin.m.dowie
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