From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.5 required=5.0 tests=AC_FROM_MANY_DOTS,BAYES_40 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,2d9aad84ea395c96 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2003-03-18 12:22:10 PST Path: archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!paloalto-snf1.gtei.net!news.gtei.net!news.compaq.com!nntp-relay.ihug.net!ihug.co.nz!west.cox.net!cox.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!spamkiller2.gnilink.net!nwrdny01.gnilink.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail From: "Frank J. Lhota" Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada References: <6a90b886.0303140243.7908f923@posting.google.com> <1047676770.614608@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <6a90b886.0303170020.5e230ea5@posting.google.com> <1047919117.217610@master.nyc.kbcfp.com> <6a90b886.0303171644.20164b4d@posting.google.com> <6a90b886.0303180253.7349aa01@posting.google.com> Subject: 1000 Km Off Topic: non military license for ada X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:22:09 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 141.157.180.124 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verizon.net X-Trace: nwrdny01.gnilink.net 1048018929 141.157.180.124 (Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:22:09 EST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 15:22:09 EST Xref: archiver1.google.com comp.lang.ada:35476 Date: 2003-03-18T20:22:09+00:00 List-Id: First of all, I obviously do not object to occasionally veering off topic. As a courtesy to those who wish to read only Ada posts, however, please indicate when you are venting on something beside Ada in the subject line. "Preben Randhol" wrote in message news:slrnb7e0ib.389.randhol+news@kiuk0152.chembio.ntnu.no... > Sadly it is so. Bush is talking about "fight for our Freedom", but he > passes laws to restict it. Is it only me that sees the paradox here? No, you are far from alone in your concern about civil liberties. All of the american civil liberties groups (such as the ACLU) have experienced tremendous growth since the passage of the U.S. PATRIOT act. Early on in life, I have taken to heart the words of Thomas Jefferson that liberty requires eternal vigilance, and I have maintained a membership in some organization fighting for civil liberties for the last two decades. Currently, I am a proud member of the Institute for Justice (http://www.ij.org). Moreover, you will find ardent defenders of civil liberties on both sides of the war issue. Andrew Sullivan and Christopher Hitchens support the overthrow of Hussein, but object to the overreaching U.S. PATRIOT act. > By the way don't trust all you see on CNN or other networks when the war > in Iraq 2.0 starts. CNN is censoring the information before presenting > it. Independant reporters are threatened that satelite uplinks will be > fire upon etc... So reflect when you see the news. In general, you should not trust all that see what you see / hear / read from any one news source. Everyone has their biases, and no matter how hard these news organizations try to be fair, these biases will effect what they report. Always go to multiple news sources, including those with conflicting points of view. With respect to CNN, however, I would not go so far as to say that they are "censoring" the news. That is a serious charge, and I do not see any evidence that th > I'm sad for the thousands of civilians who will be killed. We are all sad that civilians may be killed by this war, and we all hope that there are not thousands of such deaths. But keep in mind that there have been hundreds of thousands of Iraqi Kurds killed by Hussein, not to mentions the Southern Shi'ites, Chaldeans and political dissidents. We all want peace in Iraq, but we should be aware that Iraq has not been at peace for two decades now, nor is it likely to experience peace while Hussein is in power.