From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,42490cad53ee37fa X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!newshub.sdsu.edu!elnk-nf2-pas!newsfeed.earthlink.net!stamper.news.pas.earthlink.net!stamper.news.atl.earthlink.net!newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net.POSTED!d9c68f36!not-for-mail From: Marin David Condic User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada Subject: Re: NOACE- End of the road for Ada? References: <516_d.23836$OU1.7950@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com> <9zf_d.5948$qW.2039@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net> <1wuefxdhphvq5.1te56e3jttqln.dlg@40tude.net> In-Reply-To: <1wuefxdhphvq5.1te56e3jttqln.dlg@40tude.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 12:34:57 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 209.165.11.96 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net 1111149297 209.165.11.96 (Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:34:57 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 04:34:57 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: g2news1.google.com comp.lang.ada:9591 Date: 2005-03-18T12:34:57+00:00 List-Id: Dmitry A. Kazakov wrote: > > However, there is a problem of acceptance. People want C. Even more they > want C#. Lots of projects are doomed to fail before they change their > minds... > Yeah, but... The biggest reason that the Simulink modeling crowd wants C is because Simulink generates C. The modelers themselves don't really care so long as the model executes. But once you've got the C code, the incentive to use ANYTHING ELSE for the production control starts asymptotically approaching zero. Matlab/Simulink are the 800 pound gorilla in this market. They tend to define what happens even with their competitors. People want to be compatible with Simulink so guess what THEY all generate? That's right. C code. If there was an Ada-ish Simulink-like modeling tool that incorporated at the design level a number of Ada-isms that helped support the modeling effort, it would be far more natural to generate Ada code to run the model and then guess what? The incentive to use the Ada code for the embedded control target starts becoming unbeatable. But you MUST have a BETTER modeling tool - it can't just be a Simulink clone or nobody will want to abandon the market leader for your product. MDC -- ====================================================================== Marin David Condic I work for: http://www.belcan.com/ My project is: http://www.jsf.mil/NSFrames.htm Send Replies To: m o d c @ a m o g c n i c . r "'Shut up,' he explained." -- Ring Lardner ======================================================================