From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, REPLYTO_WITHOUT_TO_CC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Thread: 103376,c3d0e99376a4f379 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public,usenet X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit Path: g2news2.google.com!news1.google.com!border1.nntp.dca.giganews.com!nntp.giganews.com!wn13feed!worldnet.att.net!bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net.POSTED!53ab2750!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada From: anon@anon.org (anon) Subject: Re: Interested about number crunching in Ada Reply-To: anon@anon.org (anon) References: <1187235764.909133.180650@19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com> <46c49e6e$1_6@news.bluewin.ch> <46c56070$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net> X-Newsreader: IBM NewsReader/2 2.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:47:44 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 12.64.152.229 X-Complaints-To: abuse@worldnet.att.net X-Trace: bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net 1187398064 12.64.152.229 (Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:47:44 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 00:47:44 GMT Organization: AT&T Worldnet Xref: g2news2.google.com comp.lang.ada:1478 Date: 2007-08-18T00:47:44+00:00 List-Id: First, I was talking about the close source Libraries that the DOD CONTRACTED the DEC corporation to write in 77 - 78. Using its PDP series computer. Also, I was only talking about before Ada 83 the previous non-commerical versions. The first complete commercial Ada language was in 83 but DEC had developed the Jean Ichbiah design a long time before 83. And in 83 companies such as IBM, SUN, and even CII Honeywell Bull had to pay DEC for the source code of those close source code libraries. The library source code will still be under DEC control or its owners until around 2050. Ada was originally designed by a team led by Jean Ichbiah of CII Honeywell Bull under contract to the US DOD in 77. But another DOD department contract DEC to write the first Ada compiler in 77 - 78. Some 5 to 6 years before Ada 83. Note: Since, DEC had the code from 77 - 78 to 83 they had time to improve the performance of the close library code. The Design is a far cry from the true copyright, it what some now call a SOFTWARE PATENT! Even though it more than this you could think of the design as pseudo code or flowcharting for the old timers. Also anything that Government touches it take FULL credit for it, unless it is a screw-up, then they have nothing to do with it. Of course all documentation for any part of the DOD projects at that time were under the DOD copyright. But that's the US government for you! As for the 'MIL-STD-1815' spec was created at the end of 1980. But the design and first full language compiler was created in 77 - 78 more than two years before. So the 'MIL-STD-1815' was not the first word only the first publish word. NOTE: As with all post in the Newsgroups! We do take short cut and leave some info for you to learn and understand for yourself. >As to copyright - originally the Ada language was defined by a MIL-STD-1815, >but became an ANSI then ISO/IEC standard - now ISO/IEC 8652/1995(E). >Looking in the ANSI/ISO/IEC-8652:1995 - copyright is stated as belonging to >Intermetrics, Inc - but it is stated that the copyright is assigned to the >US Government. In <46c56070$1_1@glkas0286.greenlnk.net>, "Stuart" writes: >"anon" wrote in message >news:rI9xi.40141$ax1.20593@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net... > >For the benefit of those who have stumbled across this (possibly in the >Google archives), [and for the record] the following contribution from >'anon' is simply not true! > >> Which brings us to Ada. Ada was developed for the military by DEC >> using DEC computer systems. So, DEC had at that time had the >> Software Licenses and Copyright to Ada. DEC was purchase by >> COMPAQ then both were purchase by HP. This means that HP owns >> the Software licenses and Copyright to Ada. Now, HP pays for >> the FORTRAN Software licenses to third parties for the FORTRAN >> libraries. If they sell that Ada out performs FORTRAN then they can >> start receiving more fees for Ada libraries license then what they are >> paying for FORTRAN. Since, licensing fees is a big business, HP >> wants a bigger piece of the pie. > >DEC did develop an excellent [IMHO] Ada-83 compiler, and it shared its >front-end with the XD-Ada cross compiler. Both were hosted on VAX/VMS >machines which had a strong market position in sectors such as military >suppliers. > >DEC/Compaq/HP did not [to my knowledge] develop the Ada-83 product to Ada-95 >or Ada-05. I believe you can get GNAT compilers that run on OpenVMS to get >Ada-95 and Ada-05 support on these platforms. > >As to copyright - originally the Ada language was defined by a MIL-STD-1815, >but became an ANSI then ISO/IEC standard - now ISO/IEC 8652/1995(E). >Looking in the ANSI/ISO/IEC-8652:1995 - copyright is stated as belonging to >Intermetrics, Inc - but it is stated that the copyright is assigned to the >US Government. > >In the Springer LNCS 4348 "Ada 2005 Reference Manual, Language and Standard >Libraries. International Standard ISO/IEC 8652/1995(E) with Technical >Corrigendum 1 and Amendment 1" copyright is quite mixed. The Ada Reference >Manual - Language and Standard Libraries is as I have mentioned above. >Technical Corrigendum 1 is copyright the MITRE Corporation. Amendment 1 is >copyright AXE Consultants, and Ada 2005 Reference Manual is copyright >Ada-Europe. > >All give you rights to copy the document; and of course copyright has >nothing to do with using the standard to develop a compiler or using the >language to write a program! (This would be a confusion with patents). > >-- >Stuart > >