From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: fdb77,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public From: Steve Ropa Subject: Re: Current Ada strengths - was Re: ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! Date: 1997/10/31 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 286290830 References: <34557f2b.1934172@news.mindspring.com> <635csg$2eu$1@news2.alpha.net> <635u6q$4tk$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> <345881C4.640998A4@horvath.com> <34591453.0@news.eznet.net> <345946D5.CF3E77FB@horvath.com> Organization: Dimensional Communications Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.advocacy Date: 1997-10-31T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Bob Horvath wrote: > > > David A. Frantz wrote: > > > Bob Horvath wrote in message <345881C4.640998A4@horvath.com>... > > >Steve Ropa wrote: > > > > > >> On 28 Oct 1997, Robert S. White wrote: > > >> > > >> > Ada's current weak points, IMHO / IME, are in "wizard smart" GUI > > >> > code generation. > > >> > > >> Personally, I would like to see less emphasis on wizards anyway. I have > > >> had too many developers tell me they knew what they were doing, but when > > I > > >> took their wizards away, they were lost! > > > > > >I have often wondered the same thing. I head people talk about IDEs and > > >coming from a vi/make environment, I wonder what I am missing, if anything. > > >Perhaps these are two different things. > > > > > >It seems to me that if you know language, you don't need an IDE. And if > > you > > >need an IDE, then you don't know the language. > > > > > > > An IDE in my opinion has nothing to do with knowing the language. An IDE > > if successful should make the programmer more productive! Can't really > > see the relationship of the user interface, wether a make/command line > > environment or a fancy IDE, to knowing the lanquage. > > How do they make you more productive? I've never used one. I have seen CASE > tools years ago that I thought were very unproductive. Perhaps I don't know > what I am missing, but I can't imagine anything really helping out, except for > something that might make building GUIs a little easier, but for the guts of an > application, what do they buy you? > I think you hit on the key. An IDE is NOT as CASE tool. What the IDE buys me is the convenient packaging of all of my development tools. In other words you can think of an IDE as a real nice editor, with automatic links to your compiler,debugger, etc. I don't assert that the IDE makes me more productive than you, or anyone else for that matter. It assert that it makes me more productive than i would be without it. Remember all the fancy code generation pieces of VC++ are not all that the IDE is about. It is mostly about having all of your tools in one place. Also, I like some of the features of the editor(automatic indents, etc.) I can develop without them, and have, but I find it to be convenient, so I can concentrate more on what I'm writing and not what keystroke combination I need in order to delete a line of text(for instance). To each his own. And for the record, I almost _NEVER_ use the wizards that MS adds to the IDE. Steve