From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public From: Steve Ropa Subject: Re: Current Ada strengths - was Re: ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! Date: 1997/10/31 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 286283426 References: <34557f2b.1934172@news.mindspring.com> <635csg$2eu$1@news2.alpha.net> <635u6q$4tk$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> <345881C4.640998A4@horvath.com> <63b9aq$de8$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> Organization: Dimensional Communications Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.advocacy Date: 1997-10-31T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: On 31 Oct 1997, Robert S. White wrote: > In article <345881C4.640998A4@horvath.com>, bob@horvath.com says... > > > >Steve Ropa wrote: > > > >> On 28 Oct 1997, Robert S. White wrote: > >> > >> > Ada's current weak points, IMHO / IME, are in "wizard smart" GUI > >> > code generation. > >> > >> Personally, I would like to see less emphasis on wizards anyway. I have > >> had too many developers tell me they knew what they were doing, but when I > >> took their wizards away, they were lost! > > > >I have often wondered the same thing. I head people talk about IDEs and > >coming from a vi/make environment, I wonder what I am missing, if anything. > >Perhaps these are two different things. > > > >It seems to me that if you know language, you don't need an IDE. And if you > >need an IDE, then you don't know the language. > > Exactly! You can only occasionally use the language yet have > excellant help immediately at your fingertips (a Gates'ism I know) > and have it very easy in pointing out your errors - fixing them and > then moving on to the next error. When you use ctags with EMACS or > Rational Apex or Visual C it is very very easy to browse the source > code and quickly understand the calling requirments and who needs > what. I think I even heard of VI users hooking up ctags to browse > source :) > > Of course us _REAL_ programmers don't need no stinkin' IDE :-) :-) Oh, Please!! I know(I hope) your just kidding, but please! In IDE is a tool. It can make things easier, and sometimes faster. It is not a replacement for decent programming, but it can definitely be a help. As I've mentioned before, the key is to not let it become a crutch. I can develop an application using any editor, but the convenience of having my debugging tools, compiler, and even the reference materials in one nice package is very nice. Of course _REAL_ carpenters don't need hammers! They can use any available rock to pound their nails! :-)