From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fdb77,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gidfdb77,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,4873305131bf4d94 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public From: Steve Ropa Subject: Re: Current Ada strengths - was Re: ADA SUCKS, C/C++/JAVA RULES!!!! Date: 1997/10/30 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 286878404 References: <34557f2b.1934172@news.mindspring.com> <635csg$2eu$1@news2.alpha.net> <635u6q$4tk$1@flood.weeg.uiowa.edu> <345881C4.640998A4@horvath.com> Organization: Dimensional Communications Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada,comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.lang.java.advocacy Date: 1997-10-30T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: On Thu, 30 Oct 1997, Bob Horvath wrote: > Steve Ropa wrote: > > > On 28 Oct 1997, Robert S. White wrote: > > > > > Ada's current weak points, IMHO / IME, are in "wizard smart" GUI > > > code generation. > > > > Personally, I would like to see less emphasis on wizards anyway. I have > > had too many developers tell me they knew what they were doing, but when I > > took their wizards away, they were lost! > > I have often wondered the same thing. I head people talk about IDEs and > coming from a vi/make environment, I wonder what I am missing, if anything. > Perhaps these are two different things. > > It seems to me that if you know language, you don't need an IDE. And if you > need an IDE, then you don't know the language. > Well, I come from an IDE environment, and I do like some of the tools they give you, but only as tools, not solutions(drives some of my programmers nuts!) In my opinion, the only value of the wizards is to save some typing. Even that can be fraught with danger, though. What are you missing in IDEs? Some tools that make it easier to edit your code. Although I know some people who can edit faster in vi than in any IDE. I actually had one programmer buy a vi emulator for VC++ to increase his productivity. Most IDEs also have a convenient way to organize and access your files. In other words, if you are happy with vi and make, you aren't missing a thing! i wouldn't say if you need an IDE you don't know the language. I would say if you need a Wizard you don't know the language.