From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,INVALID_MSGID autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: fc89c,97188312486d4578 X-Google-Attributes: gidfc89c,public X-Google-Thread: 109fba,baaf5f793d03d420 X-Google-Attributes: gid109fba,public X-Google-Thread: 103376,97188312486d4578 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-Thread: 1014db,6154de2e240de72a X-Google-Attributes: gid1014db,public From: Clayton Weaver Subject: Re: What's the best language to start with? [was: Re: Should I learn C or Pascal?] Date: 1996/08/31 Message-ID: #1/1 X-Deja-AN: 177669920 sender: news@eskimo.com (News User Id) x-nntp-posting-host: eskimo.com references: <4uah1k$b2o@solutions.solon.com> <01bb853b$ca4c8e00$87ee6fce@timpent.airshields.com> <4udb2o$7io@solutions.solon.com> <01bb8569$9910dca0$87ee6fce@timpent.airshields.com> <4urqam$r9u@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> <01bb8b84$200baa80$87ee6fce@timpent.airshields.com> <4vbbf6$g0a@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> <01bb8f18$713e0e60$32ee6fce@timhome2> <4vroh3$17f@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> <01bb9360$21d0dbe0$87ee6fce@timpent.airshields.com> <503bq0$js@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au> <01bb95ba$9dfed580$496700cf@ljelmore.montana> content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII organization: Eskimo North (206) For-Ever mime-version: 1.0 newsgroups: comp.lang.c,comp.lang.c++,comp.unix.programmer,comp.lang.ada originator: cgweav@eskimo.com Date: 1996-08-31T00:00:00+00:00 List-Id: On 29 Aug 1996, Larry J. Elmore wrote: > Richard A. O'Keefe wrote in article > <503bq0$js@goanna.cs.rmit.edu.au>... > > Prioritising the thousand things we need to teach, to students > > - who find reading and writing English difficult and unpleasant > > - who loathe and dread mathematics and anything that looks like it > > - who are much more interested in producing flashy GUIs than in having > > a working algorithm for the U to I with > > - who cannot listen and take notes at the same time (preprinted lecture > > notes are now being demanded as a right) > > - ah, you get the idea > > is not easy. > > Tim Behrendsen, if you think assembler is more urgent than remedial > > English and elementary mathematics, we shall just have to disagree. > I believe Tim was referring to qualified students actually ready for > college, Richard. The fact is, remedial programs should NOT be offered by > colleges--unqualified students should never be admitted in the first > place!!! The problem is not with the colleges, it is with the public school > system from elementary to high school. (It strikes me as incredible that > the only proposed remedy not ridiculed by the mass media and politicians > calls for handing even more money and power over to the very system and > people that have *presided* over the collapse of education in this country. > And why most people swallow that bilge is beyond me...) You don't suppose this could be a question of student maturity rather than a lack of educator dedication? (Although I find the basic mathematics problems strange. As a student, I always viewed math class as "less homework, more time for extra-curricular" and thus less of a chore than some other subjects. "Do the math first, because it only takes a short time to be current on it. I can consider doing the rest of this stuff after dinner or on the weekend.") > Larry J. Elmore > ljelmore@montana.campus.mci.net Regards, Clayton Weaver Transparent Words cgweav@eskimo.com (Seattle) http://www.eskimo.com/~cgweav/