From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit X-Google-Thread: 103376,5dadc78d94298b82 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-02-12 12:05:56 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!supernews.com!news.gv.tsc.tdk.com!falcon.america.net!newspump.monmouth.com!newspeer.monmouth.com!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com.MISMATCH!news-out.usenetserver.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sjc-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada From: Brian Rogoff Subject: Re: Misconception about Ada? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <3A872501.1186F238@uol.com.br> <96926f$7m1$1@nnrp1.deja.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:03:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.184.139.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: sjc-read.news.verio.net 982008196 206.184.139.136 (Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:03:16 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 20:03:16 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:5187 Date: 2001-02-12T20:03:16+00:00 List-Id: On Mon, 12 Feb 2001, Preben Randhol wrote: > On Mon, 12 Feb 2001 16:15:21 GMT, Ted Dennison wrote: > >I learned that term as more like someone who subscribes to the "just > >make it work" philosophy. As such, it is not a kind term, or a term that > >would describe most Ada enthusiasts. > > > > Yes very good description :-) When I was an an undergrad it meant someone who got explored tunnels and buildings, often bypassing security. A computer hacker was someone who explored computers, and built things, it was pretty much positive. Here's a .sig I've seen The hacker: someone who figured things out and made something cool happen. and that conveys the spirit nicely I think. > >I did not attend Maryland, but I think I did pick it up at school > >(Tulane). Is this common usage at other universities? > > > >I also use the term "hack" in a similar perjorative sense. The fact that > >a lot of C programmers use it in a non-perjorative sense always seemed > >to me to be proof that C is emphasising the wrong things. :-) > > I could not agree with you more :-) I think this attitude being displayed is actually harmful to Ada. I'd rather that there was an abundance of Ada code, even if some of it was drek. I think Ada is an even better "hacking" (and I use this in the sense you seem to be using it, coding with little design) language than C, since Ada's safety measures allow you to hack away with less debugging effort. BTW, it's spelled "pejorative", and pronounced without that R too ;-). -- Brian