From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on polar.synack.me X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.4 X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII X-Google-Thread: 103376,5b0235b23a9db0f2 X-Google-Attributes: gid103376,public X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2001-01-26 08:40:37 PST Path: supernews.google.com!sn-xit-02!sn-xit-01!supernews.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!xfer10.netnews.com!netnews.com!howland.erols.net!cyclone2.usenetserver.com.MISMATCH!news-out.usenetserver.com!sjc-peer.news.verio.net!news.verio.net!sjc-read.news.verio.net.POSTED!not-for-mail Newsgroups: comp.lang.ada From: Brian Rogoff Subject: Re: LOF4 (Was Re: Extensible Enummerated types) In-Reply-To: <94rbdo$vf$1@wanadoo.fr> Message-ID: References: <94coa2$v2v$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <94f1ed$kc8$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <94g4bq$ghb$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <94hocm$ptm$1@nnrp1.deja.com> <94ja46$c7t$1@wanadoo.fr> <94rbdo$vf$1@wanadoo.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:41:01 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.184.139.136 X-Complaints-To: abuse@verio.net X-Trace: sjc-read.news.verio.net 980527261 206.184.139.136 (Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:41:01 GMT) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 16:41:01 GMT Organization: Verio Xref: supernews.google.com comp.lang.ada:4563 Date: 2001-01-26T16:41:01+00:00 List-Id: On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Jean-Pierre Rosen wrote: > "Brian Rogoff" a =E9crit dans le message news: P= ine.BSF.4.21.0101230839000.15065-100000@shell5.ba.best.com... > >> A couple of years ago, CNET in France has developped LOF4, a VLSI > >> design program entirely in Ada. > >Was this program in "major production use"? Not much info on the net > >about this program either. > It was at least used internally by CNET, but as I mentionned, it was quit= e a long time ago. The main developpers have moved and > formed their own company, LEDA, specialized in VHDL products. I don't kno= w what happenned to LOF4. It would be interesting to find out if the spinoff company still uses Ada. Any ideas? Personally, I think Ada would be an excellent language for EDA tools development, since it allows you to program at a very low level when you need to and yet easily remains readable and safe. I suspect the=20 best way to make progress in this market is to develop open source "point tools". There is very little Ada knowledge amongst EDA programmers and I'm afraid VHDL has a very bad reputation amongst chip designers I know. > >If we want to go all the way to France to compare obscurity, I'm afraid > >Ada will not come out ahead, since I know that there is a (French) O'Rei= lly > >book on OCaml, but I don't think there is one for Ada ;-). > We have excellent books on Ada in French, just different publishers... If= you are intersted in these, please go to > http://pro.wanadoo.fr/adalog/biblio1.htm Oh, I have no doubt that there are excellent Ada books in French, and I'd love to be able to buy a translation of your book into English. The joke=20 is that no language is truly successful until there is an O'Reilly book for it :-).=20 BTW, I think you missed this French Ada book :-) http://caml.inria.fr/books-eng.html#cnam -- Brian